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the mic tonight Brendan please yeah
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sorry folks I uh for those who don't
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know I was really excited to record on
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Tuesday and then I got food poisoning
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I know you're definitely saying that you
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had like an abscessed burst or going on
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something you miss pretty bad yeah but
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now we're here about I understand almost
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so see let's get cracking welcome back
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to the end of the living
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yeah we're here to discuss doctors sleep
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the sequel to The Shining we're gonna go
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into a non-spoilery review they were
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going to spoil it and then we're gonna
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talk about the last two episodes of
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watchmen that we didn't talk about last
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time let's get started okay so again dr.
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sleep yeah sequel to The Shining which
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turns 40 next year oh my gosh really
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yeah whoa whoa that's deep
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yeah interesting this is based off the
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Stephen King novel of the same name I
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have not read either The Shining or dr.
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sleep however I have read the wiki
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synopsis so now I'm an expert
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okay I have actually read them both
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always my my r22 my so Stephen King
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isn't a big fan of the original shining
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movie most people who really loved the
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book and read it first aren't big fans
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of Asia interesting yeah they're very
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different
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the Tommen themes are very different do
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you not like the movie - I as far as The
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Shining goes it's a movie I can
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appreciate but I appreciate it much
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better when I really completely divorce
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it from the book
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because they're really not the same
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thing at all they really don't say the
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same thing they just happened to be
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stories similar stories told with the
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same characters I liked the book much
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more and I can appreciate the shining
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but I'm not whoo I might get flames for
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this but I'm not necessarily hugely into
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Kubrick I recognize who he was and what
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he did for the art form but I don't
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really care I mean none of his movies or
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movies I want to watch over and over
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again they're all movies that I just
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want to watch once and like okay I saw
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it great we're done so I mean I I can't
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say I like the movie I appreciate it but
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I like the book a lot more there are
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films like that right that you can
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appreciate that was a good movie but on
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everyone watch it again that was a good
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movie I just say okay that did what it
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needed to do for the art form at the
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time and then other people can gather
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inspiration for it some people really
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love it
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I just don't there's a lot of things
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like that we long right so it's kind of
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hard to rewatch them anyway true there's
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a great Australia's came out from The
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Shining and they talked about how in the
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shining a lot of the the film is just
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the cast wandering around it really is
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like no I'm kidding because the thing is
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yeah so in the book there's a lot of
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that too but you know you're privy to
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their internal monologue thinking you're
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getting flashbacks of their whole life
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and their character in the movie it is
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just I'm lost in the hotel where is my
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family
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well to get to Stephen King as Chris
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isn't right he cited that he was
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frustrated that Jack Nicholson's
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character Jack hasn't a real character
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arc apparently you know he was a little
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crazy in the beginning of the film maybe
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as G just gets crazier and you don't
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have any sympathy for him right if
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you're familiar with the Jack from the
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book Jack Nicholson really does take it
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to a hundred way too quick
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like he really ratchets up the crazy way
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too fast like he seems crazy from the
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beginning whereas you don't the jack in
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the book is a much more sympathetic
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character yeah you really do feel bad at
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the end these guys just had a spoiler
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it's 40 years old of course and that was
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Nolan anyway he also feels that Stacy
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devolves character essentially it's just
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a scream machine there was no real
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emotional investment she really had no
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emotional dynamic in the family
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yeah I see that as well yeah cuz again
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her character in the book she was a
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really smart woman and she was really
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devoted to her family and she was there
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was a lot going on yeah the thing about
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The Shining the book is that all three
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of those characters the in in the family
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they all had really well-developed
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internal lives mm-hmm
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and then dick Halloran who's the guy
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who's like the caretaker we're not he's
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a chef isn't he and and the book right
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but he's kind of food to sort of Danny's
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obi-wan in The Shining right he also had
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a really well developed character to the
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point where he's in other books actually
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he's in it
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yeah about that hmm once I read about
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that I looked back and I thought yeah I
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don't care about any of these people in
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this movie hmm I just liked the crazy
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imagery yeah it's very much about the
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imagery and sort of the weird things
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going on right I mean I guess again I
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appreciate it usually and I'm from
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Colorado by the way so I know where that
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hotel that they used for the Overlook is
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actually a really famous hotel in Estes
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Park I've been there many times it's
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actually really creepy to go in there if
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you've seen the movie because it looks a
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lot the same so you know visually it
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really is something but just the
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matically and the heart and the you just
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really feel for all those people in that
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book I read it the first time when I was
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snowed in in a little town in Colorado
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do not recommend had some scary scary
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stuff you don't want to read that book
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when you yourself are also snowed in and
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have cabin fever but yeah you know
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there's just a sense of character that
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you don't get in the movie sure well
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let's go on to dr. sleep because I don't
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know about you but given how cynical the
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movie industry has become with reboots
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lazily written sequels Terminator and
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spin-off cash grabs I think a lot of
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people look at this movie skeptically
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III certainly did I definitely did I
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looked at the book skeptically - yeah
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the the trailer didn't necessarily put
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me off but didn't excite me either so
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this movie was directed and written by
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Mike Flanagan an up-and-coming director
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who you may know from doing the haunting
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of Hill House which is on Netflix he did
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a movie called hush and he did Gerald's
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game that's also Stephen King which was
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actually really
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have seen it that's a really good book
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and a really good movie I liked it great
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I'll check that out check it out it's
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super different to anything else in the
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genre that's all I'll tell you so no no
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clowns no no no no no animals came back
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from the grave well okay look I'm not
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gonna spoil it for you what makes it
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different is the protagonist and the
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situation that she's in okay there's
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still a lot of like scary typical scary
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movie stuff in it but it's just a really
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different setup cool yeah Google anyway
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it turns out that Stephen King actually
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really likes his new film he says they
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fixed everything bad about the original
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or redeemed everything bad about the
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original you know that's that's great
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null but the most important question is
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how do we feel about it and we are the
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most important cultural critics course
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going to be coming critics I can't
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believe I tried to say that with a
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straight face moving on yeah so let me
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go over a brief synopsis because I've
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asked several people if they'd seen it
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or not and I learned a lot of people
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don't even know what this is but even
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know it was coming out and we'll talk
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about that later on - but yeah so
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doctors sleep takes place how many years
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after the shining I don't remember at
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least 30 yeah 30 years 30 25 to 30 years
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yeah and our boy Danny is on some hard
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times more times and he tries to gets
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life together
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any soon discovers a a young black girl
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who has powers greater than him obi-wan
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finds another yeah Anakin he does mm-hmm
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but they also discover that there is a
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cult of shiners that are pretty much
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like vampires it's interesting you put
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it that way a cult of shiners I guess
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I'd never really metabolized it quite
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that way but yeah they are yeah they
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pretty much travel the country tracking
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down people who shine and devour their
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essence Anna in a sense what's about
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that a little bit later - and so the
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book is about them fighting them right
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and it's also about Danny stepping into
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a mentor role yes
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instead of being
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the mentee right so he's coming to his
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own in the shining and he now mentors a
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new person right who's even more
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powerful than he is has has more mad
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chlorines yes yes so off the bat I think
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this is a really well directed film
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there are numerous shots that are
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reminiscent of Kubrick like those those
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wide overhead shots from the first film
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however the movie I think definitely has
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an identity of its own there are some
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gorgeous shots but it's not just about
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being pretty there are scenes that are
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shot to invoke real dread urgency fear
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and pain one scene in particular is one
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of those brutal scenes I've seen in
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horror this year in a few years probably
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hmm this movie is also about two and a
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half hours it's long but it doesn't feel
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like it yeah I wasn't everything goes
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through yeah yeah I found the pacing to
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be really good in fact I wouldn't mind
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taking some friends to go see it again
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really you really liked it that much I
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wouldn't interesting I would spoiler I
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like this movie not a spoiler that is
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there somebody in the movie like at some
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point Danny stops looks at the screen
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and says dude Brendan likes this movie I
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thought you had to feel about the high
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okay Real Talk I hated the book of dr.
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sleep I didn't think the shining needed
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a sequel I hated the book I hated it so
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much that I forgot what happened in it
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like you know how bad you have to hate
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something to forget it like on purpose
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like throw it out of your mind it made
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me angry and watching this film made me
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realize why it made me so upset with it
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and it made me want to read the book
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again I really liked the film I was
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surprised by how much I liked it like I
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really was into it like I was really
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into it to the point where like I said I
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started to remember things from the book
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as I was watching it and I want to read
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the book again to fill in the gaps that
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the movie had because it's a movie and
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not a whole book right from what I
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understand they they marry the book they
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do it's supposed to be a sequel to both
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the book The Shining and the film The
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Shining so they have to kind of split
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the difference between some things that
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were changed for the film of the
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original shine the original shining film
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and they do a really good job
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with that I think actually because it's
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still a really faithful spiritual
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successor to both I think to the visuals
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and to the heart yeah hmm let's go into
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the characters mm-hm
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I actually care about these people which
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gives it a leg up over the first shining
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film so much that was what got me like I
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was really feeling for these folks yeah
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mm-hmm the trailer was probably smart
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not to show where Danny Torrance is in
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his life when we first meet him very
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smart yeah we won't say it in the
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spoiler free review but he's given a
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great arc as you said that which is part
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of why I hated the book but we'll get
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there yeah it honors the first film and
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then it pushes him in new compelling
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directions very much so yeah
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Kylie Quran is that nicer name I don't
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know she's a relatively unknown child
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actress who plays Abra the the black
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Anakin and she's really she kills it's
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like you really believe her sport uh
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yeah
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spoiler alert not spoiler alert trivia
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alert I don't know what this is fun fact
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there we go fun fact she's not black in
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the book oh yeah
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she's described as a blonde blue-eyed
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child in the book so when I saw the
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trailer like I said I hated the book I
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forgot the book it's when I saw the
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trailer I immediately like looked in a
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copy of the book like I'm sure she
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wasn't black I would have remembered
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that
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and she's not she's not black in the
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book they race lifted her for the film
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which I quite appreciated actually so
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they lost were they lost world her they
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totally did yeah she wasn't a gymnast
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but they did for those who don't know in
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the book the lost world
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Ian Malcolm had a black girlfriend
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mm-hmm in the book but they made
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Julianne Moore his girlfriend in the
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movie but he gave her him and adopted
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black daughter for some reason yeah just
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to kick Raptors out of out of out of the
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window right yeah that was that was
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really yeah I mean you know black girls
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like dinosaurs too I guess
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but yeah anyway that's cool they raced
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lifted her but I think in a better way
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than they did in the lost world so yeah
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I was really surprised and then her
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family seemed very authentic she's
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biracial actually in the building her
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mom is white her dad is black but her
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dad is very much kind of a you know
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black historian kind of black guy he's
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like writing a book and things like that
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and I mean I just the way that they set
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her up she just seems really authentic
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she doesn't seem
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tokenized at all and i don't worry that
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she's she's the MacGuffin but she's a
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fully realized character exactly which
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is hard to do and they did a good job of
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making that work yeah she's she's
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innocent she's friendly caring smart and
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powerful and when it's time for her to
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get into the horror you really feel her
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fear yeah I mean she witnesses some
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traumatizing shit she does I thought her
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chemistry with Gregor was great yeah
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because it would be would have been
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really easy for that to come across
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creepy and they did a very good job of
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staying off that line yeah yeah she
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actually had real influence on the story
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and the other characters you know
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sometimes he watched movies in
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succession and we see these parallels we
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know we talked about ad astra and the
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Joker and how they were similar but
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different and now you got Terminator
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dark fate would had a MacGuffin oh yeah
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what's-her-face I forgot anymore right
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yeah exactly
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Danny Danny her name is Danny - yeah
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that's weird
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Danny in the Terminator Danny yeah Danny
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Ramirez you know I feel bad I don't even
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see the actor's name in the review I
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feel bad I still don't know it I'm sorry
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but yeah the movie told us why she was
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important instead of showing it and then
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it tried to crowbar in the scene from
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the future to make her appear important
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it was just poorly done she was upstaged
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by her protectors none of that in dr.
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sleep yeah she's she's definitely the
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reason for the story to exist but she's
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has her own reasons of independent of
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that and you'd see that very clearly
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with her and then even as an actress she
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hold your own against everyone she does
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I mean it's not easy to be how old is
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she 12 or some thirteen thirteen she's
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13 and she holds her own with people
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like you and McGregor Ferguson Becca
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Ferguson like big deal actors and she
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holds her own with them like it's
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completely natural for she does a good
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job there's one scene particular where
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she gives the villain roast the hat a
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look only a black woman could give and I
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was just like oh you do it right yeah a
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couple times she really does I mean she
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says she's not tokenized but she's
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authentic I really appreciated that and
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I was pleasantly surprised I just
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finished reading Stephen King's book
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Sleeping Beauty's which is dedicated to
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Sandra bland which is why I mean Stephen
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King will always he's done some really
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racially problematic things in his
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writing before but he
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always be my creepy white literary uncle
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because there is a part of him that I
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think does get it he explores it in ways
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that are not always appreciative
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appreciable that are not that I am not
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always what is wrong with my English
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today my gosh if you can't do it who can
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I I really can't help me out okay so he
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does it sometimes he talks about race
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and he deals with characters who are not
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white in ways that I really cannot
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appreciate that are really problematic
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but he tries hard and sometimes he
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really does get it so to see Abra be a
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black girl in this and to have Stephen
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King come out and not comment on that
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but say he loves the movie mmm growth
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yeah for me though I think the most
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compelling character on screen was Rose
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the Hat yes but she is Rebecca Ferguson
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she was she was seductive charismatic
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and terrifying yeah it's like every time
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she was on I couldn't wait to see what
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she was gonna do next
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she was just like that that always cool
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white hippy woman at the party like yeah
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man free love man but she's totally the
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53-percent she's the true not and the
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53% yeah she's she's homicidal these
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terrifying powers I mean it's just what
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do you think about her I thought she
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played the role well yeah but yeah she
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she is exactly what she said she's like
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that cool woman at the party who you
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know just has some ratchet secrets in
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her closet and she plays it to the hilt
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she's scary when she needs to be scary
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she's seductive when she needs to be
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seductive and the thing that stood out
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to me again I'm remembering more of the
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book now that I've seen the film is that
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in the book so roaster had his head of
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this group called the true not this is
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this group of shiners who go around
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stealing everybody else's shine
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interesting metaphor there but in the
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book you have a hard time feeling like
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the true not are completely evil they
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really exist in a really interesting
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sort of gray moral area for much of the
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book because they really genuinely care
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about each other right and they really
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have good relationships with each other
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and Rose the Hat is very much a mother
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figure to these people even though they
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are child killing baby eaters
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so she does a really good job of
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portraying that even though they don't
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get him to the depth of the
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relationships and the community feel of
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the true not in the movie I don't have
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time but she does a good job of doing
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that I was gonna mention that yeah
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they're far too many movies
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kind of lazily right villains especially
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a group of them you know but given all
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the grameen need to be covered i think
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they you don't know too deeply about who
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they are but they're still all realized
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characters in the movie but yet you said
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they do care about each other but it
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doesn't make them sympathetic it just
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makes them more complete characters yeah
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they're still villains but you know even
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the villain has a family right and you
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see that very clearly in this right
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special shout-out to was it some Zhan
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McLaren who was CRO daddy okay sort of
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for you yeah I don't know I don't I'd
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only know that because I am DP but still
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it's not like he just shows up every
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year in a parade like right the only
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actor from Colorado no I like how they
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visualized their goal which was the
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steam I other reviews but you know I
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wasn't a big fan of the it movies
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because they never properly Illustrated
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or demonstrated why penny wise ate some
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kids quickly and then tease others for
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so long this movie in contrast clearly
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shows what comes out of their victims
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mm-hm and what they need to do to get it
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out like they don't bullshit about it
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like when penny wise comes out to attack
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the main characters you can check the
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clock and no you know nothing's about to
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happen here but in this movie when the
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true not sets their sights on you that's
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your ass yeah or at the very least you
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don't know what's gonna it's gonna play
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out right yeah they're very scary
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they're very intimidating they're very
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goal focused but ooh when we get to
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spoilers I gotta say something about
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that but yeah vicious and they're pretty
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well organized very yeah they know what
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they're doing there you get the sense
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that they are as old and as powerful and
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as clever and ruthless as they have to
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be to be who they claim they are so yeah
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again they do a good job of showing who
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these people are in this film yeah I
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just looking at it which is gonna make
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more money
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yeah it's like man they really didn't
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they really didn't show why Pennywise
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was always just fucking around of course
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he said it but they never showed it you
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know maybe if they showed fear or maybe
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maybe they've they put us and penny
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wisest eyes for a second you know
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through his POV to see how their fear
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looked like to him maybe Georgie got
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eaten quick
20:26
maybe he looked different to penny wise
20:29
compared to the kids in the movie you
20:32
know it's Mike something yeah I'd see
20:33
what you're saying I don't know I think
20:35
there were other problems in it not just
20:37
not showing it was just it was just a
20:39
lazily written of course of course
20:40
you're right it'll make more money
20:41
because it had a bigger cast and it
20:44
something I want to bring about that -
20:45
well good - that okay later
20:48
all right I want to give a special shout
20:50
out to cliff Curtis and he's one of
20:55
those actors like he's who's the actor
20:59
who plays Felix in the new Bond movies
21:02
he's he's a black American but he plays
21:05
literally every ethnicity on earth so
21:06
does Cliff Curtis I love the two of them
21:08
they are just racial chameleons for the
21:10
wind yeah yeah and I was really happy to
21:12
see him in this film like oh it's uncle
21:14
Billy but I wasn't happy to see him for
21:16
that reason have you seen months where
21:17
warriors no yeah I don't see that movie
21:19
ruin what you think of cliff Curtis he
21:21
assured him being Fire Lord Ozai and The
21:25
Last Airbender won't remind don't talk
21:27
about the war okay okay
21:33
as far as care disco I think the person
21:36
who got the shortest and the stick was
21:37
Abbas mother yeah that's true yeah she
21:42
yeah she was just kind of there I feel
21:44
like there was maybe a deleted scene
21:45
with her that would have flushed her out
21:47
more because everything there there even
21:50
if the role was brief they had a really
21:51
good establishing character moment like
21:53
her dad is writing the book right of
21:54
course I opera main character he's got
21:56
lots of stuff but her mother didn't have
21:57
that yeah even the members of the true
21:59
not who didn't really have major
22:01
speaking roles still had really good
22:02
character establishment sure
22:04
establishing moments and she didn't
22:05
you're right yeah I want to get to may
22:07
be some slight nitpicks negatives so the
22:12
inning is doing from the book and even
22:14
for people who have
22:15
ever read it it could polarize some
22:17
people in regards to kind of the winking
22:19
and nudging of nostalgia like hey guys
22:22
murmur this you remember this hey hey
22:23
remember this how do you like that all
22:26
right I see what you agree with you I
22:28
think it was a little too much at times
22:30
like oh look here we are again but at
22:33
the same time I can see why they did
22:35
that yeah it was the only way to really
22:38
make a good sequel to the book and the
22:40
movie right so I got it and because I
22:42
didn't love the movie but I didn't love
22:45
the book but I might love it again they
22:47
might love it now and I read it again to
22:51
me I just wanted it to be something
22:52
different and it was that was okay
22:54
that's true yeah and to be honest I
22:56
didn't think the ending of the first
22:57
shining book or the ending of the first
22:59
shining movie were particularly good and
23:01
one of the things that Stephen King also
23:02
said was that he feels like this fixed
23:05
the endings of everything which is what
23:07
he tried to do with it and failed
23:09
horribly
23:09
mmm what they tried to do he didn't try
23:11
but what the it writers tried to do and
23:13
they failed horribly at facing the
23:14
ending but they've done it with the
23:16
shining and dr. sleep so he has well
23:18
done also instead of D aging the
23:22
original shining actors with CG they do
23:27
they did what people did in the old days
23:29
and just hire younger looking actors and
23:32
I think it largely works with Stacey
23:37
devolve doppelganger was really a point
23:40
yeah it's my line but there was a scene
23:42
don't spoil it
23:43
yeah there was another person who popped
23:47
up
23:47
yeah and that didn't work at all but I
23:50
think because of a certain actors you
23:57
know what yeah we can't really talk
23:58
about this right now can we okay okay
24:00
yeah it doesn't always work it works
24:02
some of the time but not all of the
24:04
doppelgangers from the past work well I
24:07
would say about 90% 95% movie worked for
24:11
me I would say 90% worked really well
24:14
that other five worked pretty well and
24:17
then other part was coming oh okay yeah
24:20
but overall I I'll you know to get this
24:22
just to get my closing remarks this is a
24:25
high recommendation for me yeah me too
24:27
yeah
24:28
I was pleasantly surprised because like
24:30
I said I hated the book and I went into
24:31
the movie expecting to hate it too cuz I
24:33
couldn't even remember why I hated the
24:35
book and then I wouldn't saw the movie
24:36
and I remembered the book and was like
24:38
oh I get why I had such a strong
24:40
response to the book now yeah maybe I
24:42
don't hate it maybe I was just in my
24:44
feelings okay this is actually not bad
24:46
so yeah do you think the doctor sleep
24:50
movie is better than the shining film
24:53
yes definitely because it has a heart
24:57
whereas I don't think the shining film
24:59
had much of a heart you don't care about
25:00
the people it's visually beautiful it's
25:02
scary but so what they died who cares I
25:05
mean Scatman Crothers almost died but
25:08
and I was sad about that but beyond that
25:09
this kind of feels like to me the the
25:12
Terminator to the t2 or like alien to
25:16
aliens mmm-hmm
25:18
were they really expanded on what made
25:20
the first good yeah and this made it
25:23
even more interesting and more engaging
25:24
better pacing they did and they did that
25:27
in the book too I think as far as I can
25:30
remember but yeah there's a lot of
25:33
differences between the ending of the
25:34
book and the ending of the film simply
25:36
because there's a lot of differences
25:38
created by the difference in ending of
25:40
the shining movie in film but that said
25:43
I think it was well done
25:45
I think they fixed a lot of the problems
25:47
because there's not a real true sense of
25:48
closure at the end of the book of dr.
25:50
sleep and there's a lot of things that
25:51
happen in the book of The Shining that
25:53
don't happen in the film of The Shining
25:54
that are used in the book of dr. sleep
25:56
that they had to gloss over because they
25:58
couldn't use them right mm-hmm okay
26:02
unfortunately the world does not share
26:05
our enthusiasm because this movie is was
26:12
budgeted about 45 to 50 million dollars
26:14
the domestic weekend box office was only
26:19
15 at the time of this recording it has
26:25
grossed about 36 million worldwide
26:27
mm-hmm and from screen junkies I was
26:31
listening to their show today it's
26:32
projected to lose about 20 million
26:34
dollars really Wow that's a shame
26:37
because it's easily the best Stephen
26:39
King big-screen adaptation in a long
26:41
time
26:41
mmm I totally agree yeah before this
26:45
movie released there was buzz of another
26:47
movie in the works called Halloran
26:51
interesting possibly probably a sequel
26:54
so as you told me earlier sorry yep cool
26:58
you said in a hit novel he was stationed
27:00
at the same base as Mike Halen's father
27:02
so they could kind of tie that universe
27:04
together a little bit yeah really
27:06
actually I'd really like to see that
27:07
story because he was always a really
27:09
intriguing character in this movie shout
27:12
out to that actor I don't know who he is
27:13
or alum bleah yeah he had such a
27:15
charming presence on screen every time I
27:17
saw him I just wanted to cry he just had
27:19
such a way about him such a fatherly
27:22
wise way but again not in a toque anyway
27:25
he was still very much his own person he
27:27
wasn't a magical Negro he was he was
27:31
just very yeah every time I saw him I
27:33
was just like Oh Halloran like I just
27:35
really had the feels he really had a
27:38
just a really good way of projecting who
27:39
he was how am i sound like a Star Wars
27:42
named Halloran as long as we don't give
27:45
him a purple lightsaber we're cool like
27:52
I know him some somewhere who is this
27:55
this actor like he he voiced someone
27:58
yeah don't know Carl Laemmle voiced the
28:03
Martian Manhunter on Justice League
28:08
that's why he seems so familiar but I
28:11
was sure I'd never seen him before he
28:13
hey he could play the Martian Manhunter
28:17
on screen if he wanted to
28:18
gosh hey he's he's in the news super
28:20
girls show is that him yeah oh jeez I
28:23
had no idea I'm Way behind on DC play
28:26
stuff the Martian Manhunter 'he's father
28:28
oh that's brilliant yeah I'm Way behind
28:32
on DC TV I'm still like halfway through
28:35
season four of the flash or something
28:36
I've watched the pile of the flash and I
28:38
never look back it's good it's just
28:39
there's so much of it I have a job Maine
28:42
right y'all share this spread it out
28:45
into the world so we can stop having
28:46
jobs and do this all the time then I'll
28:47
talk to you about mashing manage TV
28:49
anyway so before we get into the quick
28:52
spores I do want to briefly talk about
28:54
why
28:55
this movie perhaps did poorly so I got
28:58
some interesting factoids from the rap
29:00
that analyzed why this was a misfire
29:04
thank you
29:05
I'm just like all this air is blowing
29:07
straight on me and I feel like sorry
29:16
okay so number one number one is age
29:25
apparently the major drivers of the
29:28
horror boom we've been seeing recently
29:30
have been women under 25 okay
29:35
dr. sleeps audience 74% were over the
29:41
age of 25 and they were mostly male so
29:45
because interesting because this movie
29:46
is such an old property okay have that
29:51
appeal yeah and to be honest
29:52
dr. sleep won a Bram Stoker award I
29:55
think but I don't know how many copies
29:56
is sold I don't know how many people I
29:58
don't think people are as familiar with
30:00
dr. sleep as they were with the shining
30:03
and when it came out I was really
30:05
excited to read it hmm even though I
30:07
thought the shining didn't need a sequel
30:09
I trusted my creepy literary uncle
30:11
however most of the people I talked to
30:14
at the time also didn't like it mmm so
30:17
yeah I could see that actually it
30:19
doesn't have the same emotional pull as
30:21
The Shining did and other probably which
30:24
we'll get into really quick so number
30:26
two
30:26
either there was too much time between
30:28
sequels that is true it was like 20 20
30:31
30 years 40 years 40 years between the
30:34
films and like 30 something between the
30:36
books so yeah number three the release
30:39
date was too late
30:41
this being a horror film it's it wasn't
30:43
released in October right they kind of
30:46
yeah they released it in this weird
30:48
pre-oscar period didn't write and to pay
30:52
back on that the majority because this
30:54
was released by WB well I think so yeah
30:57
so the majority of WB's marketing
30:59
campaign this season was focused on two
31:01
movies
31:02
what are they Joker and they determinate
31:08
or no it Part two
31:09
oh that's right oh dang it it just in
31:13
the way yeah
31:14
oh man so there was kind of a very short
31:17
marketing campaign for this that's true
31:19
yeah I didn't know it was coming out at
31:20
all and I'm really surprised it came
31:22
over here but yeah make sense
31:25
number five adaptations like it and Pet
31:30
Sematary are easier to sell then dr.
31:33
sleep it you see the clown you see what
31:36
it's doing Pet Sematary you it's very
31:38
easy to see what's going on Darcy was a
31:40
more psychological slow-burning film
31:42
much more you have to think a lot more
31:44
for dr. asleep and you have to there's a
31:46
it's the mythology is harder to kick to
31:47
pick up on killer Klown easy kill their
31:49
pets easy maybe you are your own worst
31:52
enemy if you are gifted not so easy the
31:59
new one yeah no me neither I see some
32:01
bad things so I you know that's actually
32:04
one of the Stephen King books I've never
32:06
read it and never seen either of the
32:07
movies oh the old ones yeah I've never
32:09
seen I've never read the book I've never
32:11
seen the old movie I haven't seen the
32:13
new one I'm completely unfamiliar with
32:14
it I'm trying to figure I want to but I
32:16
don't know which order to go at it in i
32:18
watch the original first one it it
32:20
wasn't that great to me really no okay
32:25
okay I want to briefly go in spores
32:26
could you have a lot to cover drum with
32:28
washing and whatnot
32:29
alright if you have not seen dr. sleep
32:32
it turns off now go watch it because if
32:34
you're in Korea it's almost out of
32:36
theaters that's right so many weeks
32:38
there's so many films out do you know
32:39
that Joker's about to breach a billion
32:41
dollars roll why I'd heard that I don't
32:46
know if that's the most deserving movie
32:47
but hey the market wants what the market
32:49
wants we got to admit when we misread
32:51
something although the protests around
32:54
the world there's so many people wearing
32:56
the Joker costume there we thought was
32:58
true we thought you know they'd be
33:00
shooting at the place yeah but there
33:02
it's actually becoming a voice of
33:04
revolution yeah which I think that's
33:08
because the Joker in the film and
33:10
ultimately what happened with the film
33:12
of the Joker is that as a symbol he's
33:14
actually quite bland you can use it you
33:17
can use them to apply it to anything
33:19
Joker period sure but in the movie it's
33:23
self he was definitely someone who was
33:25
frustrated with the status quo and
33:27
wanted to rebel against it and your
33:30
spider the folks to do it true but of
33:32
course not I want to call it bland but I
33:34
think people the status quo can be a
33:38
very amorphous thing exactly mm-hmm so
33:41
it's very easy people to just apply it
33:43
to whatever the status quo is which is
33:45
why you're seeing this everywhere but I
33:47
am happy that I'm happy yeah it's much
33:50
better than the alternative
33:51
yes yeah I think you know we have
33:53
Maleficent out we had a fan ask us we're
33:56
gonna do a Maleficent review and I know
33:59
marquita wants to do one yeah but of
34:01
course I'm not gonna watch that movie so
34:03
you have to just listen to her if she
34:04
wants to come in marquita we're calling
34:08
you she's gonna do this she said this
34:10
much she's rather busy so you can bring
34:12
her in next mom all right all right
34:13
things change for her comment cello for
34:15
marquita yes we Hilter into it yes so
34:17
Maleficent our love because actually I
34:19
haven't seen the other of those movies
34:20
either yeah
34:21
okay let's pause again turn this off if
34:25
you have a scene up to sleep three two
34:30
one did you know that there's a cameo by
34:36
the original Danny Torrance Danny Lloyd
34:39
at the baseball game is there he's a
34:43
spectator okay I was busy one of the
34:45
speaking roles no I'm not sure I read
34:48
about that so I I kind of go back and
34:50
watch it yeah me too I didn't really
34:52
want to see it again
34:53
any crazy how Jack Nicholson played Jack
34:56
Torrance and Danny Lloyd played Danny
34:58
Torrance isn't it yeah I wonder if
34:59
Kubrick did that on purpose because he
35:01
seemed to have done a lot of things on
35:02
purpose you know the reason that
35:04
what's-her-name Shelley Duvall was just
35:06
a scream scream machine as Stephen King
35:09
put it in in the original movie is
35:11
because he literally did terrorize her
35:13
the whole time actually this that's one
35:15
of the reasons I'm not so crazy about
35:16
that movie Kubrick did some pretty
35:18
horrible things specifically to her to
35:20
get the performance he wanted out of her
35:22
and it just borders on the creepy and
35:25
misogynistic this was the if he had if
35:28
he was still around during the me two
35:30
era he'd be catching all kinds of help
35:32
yeah he did some really awful things to
35:34
her to get that performance so when
35:35
she's upset
35:36
screaming and like near tears and just
35:38
breaking down a lot of that's actually
35:39
really close to real she was just in
35:41
horrible condition and she never wanted
35:44
to work with him again and she said a
35:45
lot of really pointed things about how
35:47
horrible that experience was for her so
35:49
that's part of the reason I didn't love
35:51
that film but I think he might have done
35:53
that on purpose he had a thing for
35:54
trying to pull in bits of verisimilitude
35:56
for wheat from weird places from what I
35:58
understand so maybe that's that instead
36:02
was that error right yeah really Scott
36:03
was in the famous chestburster scene
36:05
right right yeah exactly
36:07
okay so I want to talk about only a
36:10
couple things just how crazy they did
36:14
that boy ooh that was yeah as a teacher
36:18
I was hard to stomach I mean as a human
36:20
being who once was a child I mean my god
36:23
that's like such an adult fear and kid
36:25
fear at the same time getting kidnapped
36:27
and cut up I mean that's yeah but it's
36:36
good because it brings the scare home
36:38
because up to that point you're like you
36:40
don't really see the true not do
36:41
anything and you're like oh they're
36:43
scary it's not gonna be that bad and
36:45
then they really go for it I don't know
36:47
if I had a kid and they were a child
36:49
actor they would not have been in this
36:52
movie I don't know how that kid did that
36:54
scene that was really rough
36:55
and he's unaccredited but but props to
37:00
baseball kid yeah I hope he winds up
37:03
somewhere and we can look back at this
37:04
yeah he's got some talent he's scared
37:07
the living daylights out of me goodness
37:09
how do you feel about the movies any
37:11
compared to the book um okay so the
37:13
movies ending was not well the movies
37:16
ending Danny dies in the books ending he
37:20
lives right he kind of goes on to
37:22
continue to mentor opera right and they
37:24
have a great life after all but I think
37:27
they felt like they needed to do it
37:28
because there isn't really a sense of
37:29
closure at the end of the book from what
37:30
I understand another big difference just
37:33
to mention this before I forget between
37:35
the book and the movie is that in the
37:36
movie Danny doesn't really do much with
37:39
the shining it's sort of like it's
37:41
almost like he drank it all away like he
37:42
doesn't he's very weak mentally mmm in
37:46
the book he still has a really strong
37:49
shot
37:50
but he's because he's older it's not as
37:52
strong and actually what's-her-name Rose
37:54
the Hat mentions it in their final fight
37:56
in the movie right being an adult
37:58
corrupts it some kind of way and that's
38:00
true but the prop but he's an adult and
38:02
he's he's much more experienced than
38:03
he's smarter so are boroughs pure power
38:06
and Danny is sneaky and that last fight
38:09
in the book is really like it's scary
38:12
how good they are and how well how
38:14
ruthless they are okay part of it also
38:17
is that so speaking again of the end of
38:21
the book and the movie in the the
38:24
Overlook Hotel burns down at the end of
38:26
the shining it doesn't exist anymore
38:27
right whereas in the movie it's just
38:29
sort of still there just shut down the
38:31
true nut in the book have built their
38:33
campsite on the old side of the Overlook
38:35
right they can do that because it still
38:38
has all that evil but also because
38:39
Danny's locked up all the ghosts in his
38:41
head so they're not there to kill them
38:42
all right so they've got all this great
38:44
like kind of ambient evil shine that
38:46
they can draw from I just want to be
38:48
yeah heard in the shining movie did they
38:50
ever express they wanted to really eat
38:52
the boy or like take him take his power
38:54
because it felt kind of I don't think
38:56
they'd not I suppose I mean I know that
38:59
bartender or someone told Jack to bring
39:02
us the boy yeah but they specifically
39:05
want to kill him because they're
39:07
attracted to his shine but they don't
39:08
really mention that they want to eat him
39:10
right in the book or in the movie I
39:11
don't think the concept in this doctor
39:14
sleep because it was written so much
39:16
later it's they he really does something
39:20
completely different in doctor sleep
39:22
than he does in the shining Stephen King
39:25
does the concepts really matured in a
39:28
lot of ways and the writing has to so
39:30
whereas the shining is pretty ruthless
39:33
it's written like basically a guy at the
39:36
end of a drug and alcohol binge which is
39:37
I think what actually happened when he
39:39
wrote that book who's just telling this
39:41
really rough brutal story but then when
39:44
you look at doctor sleep it's much more
39:46
conversational it's much more adult it's
39:48
much more mature there's much there's
39:50
many more shades of grey and as a result
39:52
the way that he talks about powers like
39:55
the shine has also matured and has a lot
39:57
more nuance to it can I just talk about
40:00
really quickly why I hated dr. sleep so
40:03
much
40:03
what what watching the film made me
40:06
figure out about why I don't like dr.
40:08
sleep sure really quickly so like I said
40:11
I read dr. sleep hated it intentionally
40:14
forgot it he gave the book away
40:16
yeah hated it all those snaps everything
40:18
this is furious with duck with Stephen
40:20
King for writing such an horrible
40:22
follow-up to the shining which is a
40:23
great book and a scary one and it it's
40:26
because of the character of Danny
40:28
because as you said now we can talk
40:31
about it as spoilers Danny is the hero
40:34
essentially of the first book he's a
40:36
little boy he's extraordinarily gifted
40:38
and sensitive he's in a horribly abusive
40:41
family who you have some sympathy for
40:43
his parents but it's still it still is
40:46
what it is he gets he's in a horrible
40:48
situation but he's gifted and that helps
40:49
it that both makes him vulnerable to
40:51
harm but it also is what gets him out of
40:53
it hmm nobody likes to see that kind of
40:58
story and then have to catch up with
41:00
that character 20 years later and find
41:02
out that they're the problem yeah he did
41:08
some fucked up shit really mess he's an
41:10
alcoholic he does some horrible things
41:12
and he knows that he's done some
41:13
horrible things go would he like let
41:15
that mom OD yeah and yeah I was like
41:24
you're gonna have to die in this movie
41:25
like there's no right now and that
41:28
happens in the book and he doesn't die
41:29
which again I think is one of the things
41:31
they tried to fix at the end make him
41:33
atone for some of his sins yeah but
41:35
Danny's a horrible person and it's he
41:37
stays a horrible person the only thing
41:40
that keeps him from becoming more
41:41
horrible is that he sees within that
41:43
final fight and in some of the
41:45
confrontations that he and Abra have
41:46
with the true nut he sees her becoming
41:49
almost as horrible because she is
41:50
ruthless like she's way more powerful
41:53
than he is and she's she's upset enough
41:56
by baseball boy and every all of the
41:57
things she knows of the true net are
41:58
doing and she's also still a kid so she
42:01
doesn't have a limit on the level of
42:03
violence she's willing to commit to yeah
42:04
and he sees that and that's what
42:06
checksum ultimately in the book which
42:09
let's talk about that yes speed was
42:12
let's talk about the scene where average
42:14
perhaps rose in her house
42:17
and the hand ward yo what what is as
42:21
soon as Rose meditates and lifts off the
42:23
ground just beautifully gliding across
42:25
the earth and she's glides through the
42:29
clouds into her house right it was just
42:32
so it was so beautifully shot like I
42:34
would I would go back to theater just to
42:36
watch that scene it was really well
42:38
visualized so much imagination it's
42:40
really well realized yes mm-hmm and
42:43
she's and she thought she had her and
42:44
then trapped and then she made her as
42:48
you said the hand she D gloves her own
42:50
hand that was gross oh yeah yeah yeah
42:53
but yeah that was a lot yeah Abra is
42:56
ruthless but she's more rusev she is
42:58
more ruthless than that and it's a
43:01
little scary actually and I think that's
43:02
why I didn't like the book because it
43:04
shows very clearly that if you are a
43:06
very gifted sensitive vulnerable child
43:09
in a bad situation and you manage to get
43:11
out of it by your own cleverness or your
43:13
own skillset met big metaphor nobody
43:16
really has to shine you know what I mean
43:17
them you are actually more vulnerable to
43:21
becoming part of the problem in the
43:22
future
43:22
not less hurt people hurt people and
43:25
sometimes you don't know your own bad
43:27
wiring it's very difficult to undo that
43:29
in yourself yeah and dr. sleep was a
43:31
very good illustration of that and
43:33
that's a very adult fear and that is
43:35
hard to confront so yeah so that was why
43:40
I hated the book so much and watching
43:42
the film
43:43
help me unknown to exploring that and
43:49
understanding it a little bit more so I
43:50
might read the book again and see if I
43:52
see it differently now but yeah that was
43:55
that was a lot it really got me in my
43:56
feelings I was like how did you escape
43:58
the alcoholic ghosts of doom and hell
44:01
and now you're letting a baby die are
44:03
you kidding me man yeah how did you
44:05
become this person but I mean not
44:08
everybody everybody wins not everybody
44:10
is the hero of their own story yeah if
44:14
we go into Watchmen I want to talk about
44:16
a big change in the movie in the book
44:17
was in the and the book apparently Danny
44:23
lets out that Ghost to kill a lot of the
44:24
true not members were in the movie they
44:26
had a nice like last Jedi projection
44:29
app for the tree not yeah that happens
44:32
in the book too but they don't kill them
44:33
all that way so the true nut in the book
44:35
or hang are their campground is that's
44:37
where the overlock right hotel was and
44:39
most of them are hanging out there with
44:40
Rose waiting while some of them go to
44:43
pick up abre and that is when Danny and
44:47
Billy and then their other friend who
44:49
they show in the film but he's not he
44:50
doesn't have a very big part there the
44:52
guy who loses his watch he's also one of
44:54
their screens yeah he's one of their a
44:56
one of their Alcoholics Anonymous
44:57
friends the three of them go together
45:01
and do that like sniper thing and take
45:04
out half the true not there's a lot more
45:05
of them in the book too okay
45:07
yeah take out half the true not and
45:08
freaked everybody out and then they then
45:10
they drive up to the campsite and that's
45:14
when you start setting off the ghost
45:15
there's a lot I mean that last fight in
45:17
the book is really something because
45:19
it's so much the book is so slow and
45:21
builds up so much there's so much other
45:22
stuff going on and then all of a sudden
45:24
you get to this last fight and you're
45:25
like you're there at the Overlook Hotel
45:26
and when I tell you it is ruthless the
45:29
things they do because again it's very
45:32
much obi-wan and Anakin right Abra's all
45:35
all raw power and Danny is all tricks
45:38
and experience and he's you know kind of
45:40
giving her hints like okay try this and
45:42
she does it and I mean this is it's
45:44
awesome it spurts really well-written
45:45
you see a little bit of that in the film
45:47
though in that scene where he kind of
45:49
takes over her body
45:49
yeah uses her shine because he knows how
45:52
right in that yeah so he does that a
45:54
couple of times in the book too okay
45:55
yeah we're like the the Charles to her
45:59
Jean yeah very much so very much so yeah
46:01
that's actually a much more apt
46:02
comparison mmm cuz she's dangerous
46:05
yeah she doesn't know it but she when
46:07
she starts to figure it out that's when
46:09
he gets himself together
46:09
oh yeah he's like wait a minute I can't
46:12
unleash this upon the world okay anyway
46:15
oh you good I don't want to run too
46:17
short on time so let's quickly go on to
46:21
Watchmen yes
46:24
so we're time I episode three and four I
46:27
just I want to continue with I know
46:29
we've talked about two episodes so far
46:30
mm-hmm
46:31
I just love how the opening start off
46:35
with something innocent or you just
46:38
think they're gonna focus on that and
46:40
then it just spirals out into this what
46:44
the hell is going on it's episode three
46:47
you hear you see a woman talking to dr.
46:51
Manhattan on Mars er you know they're
46:53
not really talking but she's sitting a
46:54
message and I'm like is that the old
46:57
Silk Spectre mm-hmm I think miss Jupiter
47:00
was her mother yeah that's right mm-hmm
47:02
and I'm like and then it spans out to
47:04
this bank robbery you're like she's a
47:05
bad guy now and then it's oh shit this
47:08
vigilante jumps with the window talking
47:09
like Christian Bale's Batman and then
47:12
you realize she's a Fed she is a bad guy
47:15
[Laughter]
47:19
she's used to / did you know that his
47:22
armor was gonna be bulletproof
47:24
she's walks off yeah he's alive
47:27
so that scene right there is just I love
47:30
how every show starts off that way
47:32
they're all like these small little like
47:34
anthology like character that then set
47:39
the stage for that character to make a
47:40
grand entrance into the show yeah I
47:43
think episode three was one of the best
47:46
episodes so far like probably second to
47:50
the first if not the best so so far to
47:52
me I will say this it's keeping me
47:54
guessing I have no idea where this is
47:55
going and every - every episode it goes
47:57
somewhere else that I'm not expecting
47:59
yeah we see we see the senator each time
48:03
I could deal with her
48:04
we realized that owl man is in jail yep
48:06
mm-hmm
48:07
I hope you notice how there were a
48:10
number of frames where they had to
48:12
expect her showing her to be a hero yeah
48:14
so for those who don't know or didn't
48:16
catch it there was a frame of her in the
48:18
poster talking to the senator she walks
48:20
up to a gate and has like these holes in
48:22
her eyes yeah yeah there's just there's
48:26
so much going on visually and the
48:28
dialogue it's just it's a great show
48:30
yeah and her her characters in such a
48:31
great area she's not likable at all now
48:34
to be fair she wasn't necessarily
48:36
likable in the comic book either
48:37
but she was a heroine or trying to be
48:39
yeah I think I find it interesting she's
48:43
so defined by men in both the katha
48:45
comic and in this because in the comic
48:48
it was very much the men who she was
48:49
with who are moderating her personality
48:51
and in this she spends her entire most
48:55
of her appearances in the for in the
48:57
first episode that she's in episode 3
48:59
talking to dr. Manhattan who is off on
49:03
Mars and could care less but also shows
49:06
but she's also acting so independently
49:08
herself you know they were like they had
49:10
a whole room of feds like everyone
49:12
wheels up in two hours he's like I'll go
49:13
alone yeah totally
49:15
she's come all ways been her personality
49:17
but it's but in the comic she was always
49:19
being moderated by whoever she whatever
49:21
male hero she was attached to okay that
49:23
was always kind of the the foil for her
49:25
personality it was always what kept her
49:27
kind of under control in a sense kept
49:29
her not docile she was never that but
49:31
you know just kept her a little bit less
49:33
full-on okay and then in this
49:35
she's very full on but she's seeking
49:37
that moderation again I felt like and I
49:39
mean that whole big blue dildo at the
49:40
end I mean come on
49:41
I know I is she likable I like her she's
49:46
she's really sharp mm-hmm
49:48
she knows everyone's identity like she's
49:50
wants them ahead of everyone mm-hmm like
49:52
her conversation with Angela and her
49:54
husband was great right when I say
49:56
likable I think I'm talking more in
49:57
terms of within the universe nobody
49:59
wants her around right even the guy who
50:01
even heard her Lackey who she winds up
50:03
sleeping with who's not a Lackey he does
50:04
that's actually really interesting scene
50:05
there where he's like I actually have a
50:07
PhD in history right I know who you are
50:09
knock it off with the condescending shit
50:11
but you know he's still very much
50:13
relaxed I'm still gonna wear the r.kelly
50:15
Zorro mask yeah in the bed which is
50:17
creepy because her dad was the comedian
50:19
if you remember and that was his mask
50:23
[Music]
50:26
I mean everyone has I mean she has a
50:27
overly large dr. Manhattan dildo and he
50:31
has a mask I mean yeah they had they had
50:32
their kinks everybody does yeah looking
50:35
blurred up does not King Shane yeah do
50:38
you think the senator planned that
50:39
kidnapping to raise his political status
50:41
because that's that's where I'm leaning
50:43
towards right now probably I'm waiting
50:45
to see more of him like they're they're
50:48
kind of using him as I don't know a
50:50
cat's paw at the moment I think there's
50:52
every what is capa me I guess it just
50:55
means that you know he's I don't even
50:57
know if I'm using it correctly basically
50:59
they're using him to kind of make you
51:01
think things are going on I don't think
51:02
that the one thing about this show is
51:04
it's very unpredictable hmm another
51:06
thing about this show is that they've
51:07
introduced a new character a new main
51:09
character at every single episode so far
51:11
I don't know if the Senators going to
51:13
mind it being that important as anything
51:15
but a but a foil for something else okay
51:18
but I could be wrong like I said every
51:21
single episode has gone somewhere I did
51:22
not expect at all so I thought it was at
51:28
the funeral that was crazy that scissor
51:30
Knight was the only person who took care
51:33
of of the shooter like once she got but
51:35
it's also it's kind of like the women
51:36
are definitely in charge in this episode
51:37
very much so and in the show in general
51:39
you know we've seen way more of sister
51:42
Knight and so expect her laurie
51:44
juspeczyk or whatever her name is you've
51:47
seen way more of them than we have of
51:48
anybody else anybody else very much
51:50
defers to them even when when the chief
51:53
quote-unquote was alive he deferred to
51:55
her a lot
51:57
and then there is fight always doing
52:03
crazy shit that is so weird
52:05
like I really hope there's a big payoff
52:07
for whatever it is they're doing with
52:08
him it is and I want to go to episode 4
52:11
in a second but you know he's he's
52:14
always doing crazy shit he freeze he
52:16
froze his clone and then this game
52:20
warden like who is this guy I think he's
52:24
on Mars being held prisoner by dr.
52:27
Manhattan and dr. Manhattan has created
52:29
this artificial environment for him
52:31
which is and that's why he's creating
52:32
like weird like space suits for his male
52:35
for the clones whatever their name is
52:37
Miss Cruikshank Celeste
52:39
yeah he's creating these weird space
52:40
shoots space suits for mr. Phillips and
52:42
launching the dead bodies off on a
52:44
catapult and whatnot because he's in
52:47
space and he's trying to escape whatever
52:48
prison he's in I think no you so I want
52:51
to get there and episode four cuz so so
52:53
no cuz it's ok so it me can go there
52:55
when he catapults people into the sky
52:56
there's a kind of a spot where they
52:58
disappear from view he wasn't like they
53:00
just get smart they just cut out mm-hmm
53:02
so he said he originally found where he
53:05
was put in to be a paradise but now it's
53:08
a prison which again I think we would
53:11
stay true to the character for him to
53:13
want to be isolated only just to
53:15
discover he didn't actually want to be
53:16
isolated I don't think it's Manhattan
53:19
though because Manhattan does even care
53:21
about human race why would he care about
53:22
Veidt who well yeah you're right he
53:25
doesn't care but I'm trying to think the
53:27
only person who'd have the power to do
53:28
that would be Manhattan he's the only
53:29
person with real superpowers in the
53:31
universe it also could be the lady who
53:34
looks up to him lady true oh that's
53:37
right yeah she's a trillionaire yeah I
53:41
don't know maybe he had reached a
53:44
certain level in his age and you want to
53:46
help from her okay or you want to help
53:49
or she said I can do this for you if you
53:51
do this for me also we also have they're
53:56
still squid raining from the sky from
53:57
some weird place it's possible that he's
53:59
in a different dimension entirely oh
54:01
that's a good point actually yeah that's
54:02
possible too yeah because there is
54:04
interdimensional activity right there's
54:07
a great line in episode 4 did you catch
54:09
that we're looking glass when she goes
54:11
into his lair to get him to go ask his
54:13
ex I have no idea who that is but I'm
54:14
looking forward to seeing who yeah ask
54:16
his ex to to analyze some sample his the
54:20
red pills yeah exactly and which again
54:24
interesting symbolism there red pills
54:26
okay
54:28
but she asks she's explaining to him
54:31
that the chief was a racist she says did
54:33
you know he was a racist and his
54:35
response is he was a white man in
54:37
Oklahoma did you catch that yeah that
54:40
was that was a really great line like
54:42
that gave me some chills the way just
54:43
the way he gave it to her so blandly
54:45
just yeah okay Wow we're going here with
54:48
this show yeah well done and I think at
54:51
the same time it's kind of weird that
54:53
I don't know where he's from mm-hmm he
54:55
has a southern accent yeah so for me
54:57
it's like why would you so casually
54:59
bring us up to him like what if he was
55:01
one of them well yeah but you get the
55:03
sense but again this is something where
55:05
they're doing a really good bit of
55:06
characterization because you get the
55:07
sense that there's a really deep
55:08
relationship between the two of them
55:09
right what you don't know but it doesn't
55:11
sound like he was around when everybody
55:13
was getting shot hmm but there's some
55:15
kind of connection between the two of
55:16
them that to me was a character I think
55:19
yeah I mean I can I can see that yeah
55:21
for sure so let's rewind back to the
55:24
beginning of episode 4 because I want to
55:28
again that kind of that opening mm-hmm
55:31
an introduction to who lady true is
55:33
here's this new character being
55:35
introduced who's gonna be a bigger part
55:36
of the show we have this cute montage
55:38
about a farmer couple totally divorced
55:41
from this lady
55:42
and then after what 10 years she just
55:45
pops up at the house I want your house
55:47
and like all the 50 acres you have 3
55:50
minutes to sign mm-hmm I'm here to offer
55:52
you a child not money no we don't want
55:56
your child get out get out oh I'm sorry
55:58
you misunderstood I'm not gonna make you
56:01
a baby
56:01
I already did you're like so many yeah
56:06
yeah what is technology doing in this
56:08
universe it's so hard to keep tabs on
56:11
that because there's so many things that
56:13
exist and don't exist yeah it's
56:14
interesting then that you have folk
56:16
comes out the sky yeah and you're like
56:17
what is that that is mine mm-hmm he was
56:21
like what what is happening yeah
56:24
speaking of technology I thought there
56:26
was really clever really clever riding
56:28
with the ancestry mm-hmm how they encode
56:32
your acorn mm-hmm and when you plant it
56:35
it literally makes a family tree at the
56:39
at the Museum yeah but it's not public
56:44
all the time I would feel really awkward
56:46
if you're just going to the museum one
56:47
day and you're like oh I have an acorn
56:49
and you go in there and you turn out to
56:50
like your whole family is on display mmm
56:53
it's interesting that that kind of
56:55
technology exists and then you still
56:58
have Silk Spectre dialing on that basic
57:01
phone right right because there are no
57:03
smartphones the Internet
57:06
there's a couple other things that yeah
57:07
it's so hard to kind of keep your keep
57:09
tabs on that but they keep you guessing
57:12
with it don't they can't tell you my
57:13
favorite part of this episode please
57:15
when sister Knight chased down that
57:18
silver costume guy yeah what was that
57:22
about and you know you know he like
57:24
sprays the KY on himself in this slips
57:26
to the sewer you're like yo my favorite
57:29
part though was Regina King is doing the
57:31
blackest shit after that that reactor
57:34
just like my favorite part right yeah I
57:46
love that part right any time she gets
57:48
even a little bit gruff it's like whoa
57:49
okay serious yeah this show really does
57:54
keep you guessing it does a great job of
57:56
showing you how insane the concept of
57:58
superheroes truly is though because none
58:00
of these people have superpowers they're
58:02
all just doing crazy shit like looping
58:05
themselves up and jumping into the sewer
58:06
what on earth sliding so weird yeah you
58:10
could have really messed you see exactly
58:12
like it just goes to show you no
58:13
adrenaline there's a hell of a drug but
58:15
yeah yeah so you were talking about
58:18
things coming together and paying off
58:20
and we're starting to see that now with
58:22
lady true connecting sister Knight and
58:25
Adrian Veidt now and now we're talking
58:29
now we also she's also friends with the
58:32
grandfather when she spoke in Vietnamese
58:34
to to her she was like you're get
58:36
probably wants to know if you have the
58:37
pills and you're like oh wow she's like
58:40
you told that fucker
58:42
don't tell me himself yeah actually
58:46
interesting thing I want to talk about
58:47
too is when they when she had a statue
58:51
of Veidt they didn't show his face and
58:53
they said why don't you show him younger
58:55
but they just show him at all so someone
58:58
said before that maybe if I got plastic
58:59
surgery on himself it's like fake his
59:02
death so you're ordering like is this
59:05
really fight anyway ya know so there's
59:09
just so much things to keep guessing
59:13
I have no idea I think it's ten I don't
59:16
know I can't remember but either way
59:19
we're
59:19
we're four episodes in and I still have
59:22
no idea where this is going no idea
59:23
chicken is great but they I'm just gonna
59:25
say this and I say it every week and I
59:27
mean this shit they better not lost me
59:29
they better not do like they did do me
59:31
like they did me with lost I don't want
59:33
to be hurt again make sure that this has
59:35
a resolution point okay that's all I'm
59:37
saying
59:40
fight right hopefully yeah cuz I've got
59:45
to do something with him these his
59:47
little vignettes are getting weirder and
59:48
weirder yes exactly
59:52
he's fished for them in here and grows I
59:55
like how he was picking one out and it's
59:57
through back in the lake like he was a
59:58
fish yeah like this whole lake is just
60:01
full of swimming fetuses where is he
60:04
what is going on this is so weird
60:06
I pretty much Genie King I was like he
60:10
grows to new servants brings him into a
60:12
slaughter at his mansion yeah this chars
60:14
catapulting dead buys into this guy yeah
60:16
cuz apparently he just went crazy and
60:18
killed everybody in the mansion yeah and
60:21
then of course you learned that the
60:22
grandfather yeah but we kind of knew
60:25
that though because he was clearly able
60:26
to walk before he was doing stuff in her
60:27
little in the back of her shop that's
60:29
true when she came back he was sitting
60:30
down you just didn't see him so there
60:32
was did something there was some gray
60:33
area did somebody else come in and help
60:35
him or didn't do it himself my feet are
60:37
just fine mm-hmm yeah you know Lou
60:41
Gossett jr. it's nice seeing him in
60:42
something yeah they got three days mm-hm
60:45
no I betrayed her what is that yeah days
60:48
don't know what I've done
60:50
yeah before it right which makes me
60:52
wonder what did he do also is he some
60:54
kind of you you really don't know
60:56
anything about who he is still you get
60:58
some ideas like they're giving you all
60:59
these like family tree reminders but and
61:02
then notice that the the other side of
61:06
the watch over this boy notice is the
61:08
German letter hmm I am not sure where
61:11
that's going either again burned up now
61:13
yeah exactly which made me a little sad
61:15
but you know there's a lot of really
61:19
interesting stuff here it's just better
61:20
in somewhere good that's all I'm saying
61:22
well I wonder if the red pills are what
61:25
he said but I can I can do all he said
61:27
to her the beginning I can lift this
61:29
amount of weight etc are these pills
61:33
it's not like you know the incredibles
61:34
you know he was manufacturing technology
61:37
to make everyone super is Kate true
61:39
perhaps or Veidt was on the verge of
61:41
kind of making pills or technology
61:43
biomedical things to enhance people that
61:46
is it really good idea maybe I don't
61:49
know maybe hmm
61:52
we shall see what stinks and Koreans
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like Judy bong
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I don't know Korean fans let us know in
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the comments there's not a lot of time
62:07
left just really briefly you did see
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Rick and Morty more than Mandalorian I
62:11
was sick so I actually had some time to
62:13
watch the Mandalorian ok but Rick
62:16
Morty's is still funny I mean you've
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seen the other seasons yeah it's like
62:20
there's so much violence and now that
62:22
we've seen Rick and Morty die in some
62:24
crazy ways still seeing it is still
62:29
jaw-dropping we don't expect it really
62:31
ok yeah this this episode was based off
62:34
of the Tom Cruise movie the edge of
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tomorrow know how that was actually I'm
62:40
not a Tom Cruise fan at all I tend to
62:42
avoid him but that was a good film it's
62:43
kind of like this daughter sleeper it
62:45
was really good yeah but I guess
62:46
everyone was kind of turned off to it by
62:48
marketing or whatever etcetera or
62:49
they're like you know Tom Cruise the
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time yeah anyway it was kind of kind of
62:53
theme of Rick constantly dying but it
62:57
was it's good though the Mandalorian
63:02
there's a spoiling there - I don't we
63:03
went go into it right now cuz I'll watch
63:05
it yeah the second episode it's the
63:08
problem with the mantle loin right now
63:10
is it's a Western
63:12
I don't like westerns ok and you know
63:16
when you're introduced to Star Wars like
63:18
a new hope you're introduced to someone
63:21
likeable Luke Skywalker right Leia
63:24
right obi-wan right and Han you like
63:28
these people whereas literally this
63:30
movie starts off with a couple of a Fett
63:32
character and he doesn't talk very much
63:35
mmm-hmm and we does are very short and
63:37
very get in hmm sit down like it's very
63:42
short we have this love affair with
63:44
anti-heroes though now so maybe they're
63:46
trying to play off that
63:47
I mean but there's no well I'll say that
63:51
the ending makes things a little more
63:52
ambiguous but until it got to that point
63:55
it was just I'm falling around this
63:56
silent killer person hmm and I don't
64:00
like him mm-hmm I don't hate him but I
64:03
just I'm just following it because it's
64:05
Star Wars and I'm supposed to you know
64:07
do this yeah so they kind of had like it
64:11
was kind of hard to really care about
64:12
him and even still I'm kind of like
64:13
we'll see how this plays out yeah but
64:16
right now I mean I was watching a you
64:19
know screen junkies I watched him a bit
64:20
and they said you know oftentimes pilots
64:23
aren't as good as the later episodes
64:25
sometimes the they are really great like
64:27
the Washington pilot or the first
64:29
episode was really really good really
64:30
good
64:30
you really grabbed you but some take
64:32
time to build mm-hmm this one it could
64:35
have that potential but as it right now
64:36
I thought it was I okay but building up
64:40
into oh speaking of which oh my talked
64:44
about this going or before the new Star
64:47
Wars film but apparently JJ Abrams said
64:49
he leaned into the last should I when
64:51
making Episode nine in the sense that he
64:57
said that he played it too safe with
64:58
Episode seven and then kind of being
65:00
inspired by Rian Johnson he wanted to
65:03
try to swing for the fences on this
65:04
movie so we'll see my facial expression
65:09
was a word what would you think it is
65:11
not impressed completely unimpressed I'm
65:14
not that does not give me joy oh no I'm
65:16
not I had that's lessened my I mean I
65:18
had no expectations already yeah another
65:21
rock bottom yeah so it's gonna be lens
65:23
flare nonsense really come on now yeah
65:27
anyway the Mandalorian I will probably
65:30
watch it at some point but I'm not gonna
65:31
jump on it really because there are too
65:33
many streaming services and you know
65:35
what I am NOT gonna buy another service
65:37
just to watch more Star Wars I love Star
65:39
Wars but I'm a bootleg it at the end of
65:41
the season because I'm not interested in
65:43
getting another service their Star Wars
65:45
and Marvel and the x-men animated series
65:47
I'm still not interested in getting
65:48
another service I'm just not gonna do it
65:50
yeah this series is amazing
65:52
if digi+ came over to Korea I would
65:55
probably cop it the thing is how when
65:57
when does it end
65:58
right there's Disney plasters
66:00
Netflix there's HBO there's Showtime
66:03
there's all these different Hulu there's
66:04
all these different streaming services
66:06
now totally right you told the whole
66:07
point was to be able to not have to have
66:10
an $80 cable bill every month and now
66:12
there's all these different services and
66:13
they're also proprietary I and also for
66:16
me like they just made that announcement
66:17
now where they're saying that you have
66:19
to watch the Marvel shows in order to
66:21
make sense of Futurama movies I'm
66:23
tapping out I'm not interested it was
66:26
fun while it lasted
66:27
mmm but this is too much content and
66:29
it's not all and there's no promise that
66:31
it's all gonna be wonderful and it
66:33
requires subscribing to an to yet
66:35
another service and remembering yet
66:36
another password and paying at another
66:38
bill for stuff that I'm gonna watch
66:40
maybe 10% of when I have time and the
66:43
rest of it I don't care about for me
66:45
what's the point I mean I know I sound
66:48
like an old lady Illinois way but I just
66:50
don't want to do it no I think what
66:51
people share your concerns I don't know
66:53
for most said that you have to they said
66:54
that they'll be integrated but mm-hmm it
66:57
may be like if scarlet witch shows up in
67:00
Doctor Strange which she will hmm it's
67:02
gonna be after that Wanda vision show
67:05
sure and so it may not mmm it may not be
67:08
crucial it's like Captain Marvel um you
67:11
know Kenner are what shows up in endgame
67:12
yeah and you're like who's this lady hmm
67:14
it would be beneficial to watch a movie
67:16
why you don't have to yeah I feel like
67:19
they're gonna play it mm-hmm and that
67:22
way because it is a gamble it really is
67:25
a gamble so we'll see what happens and
67:28
of course every time Marvel Studios has
67:31
like Iron Man wasn't like when they made
67:34
our mean it wasn't like we're gonna make
67:35
a universe right now it was
67:37
let's mm-hm see how this works right so
67:40
maybe maybe the first I miss those days
67:42
yeah maybe the first show or two will be
67:48
a pilot of scene where the interest is
67:49
in quality yeah you know maybe they'll
67:52
hit their stride maybe I guess for me I
67:55
really miss just I liked being a part of
67:58
the Marvel Universe and it was
68:00
developing into a thing and kind of
68:02
growing with it and seeing how we can do
68:04
a gigantic cinematic universe now we've
68:06
established that we can now what you're
68:11
just gonna continue to bloat the
68:12
universe to the point where nobody's
68:14
know everything that's going on now I
68:16
get it they're kind of basically doing a
68:18
cinematic version of comic books but for
68:20
me I just prefer to go back to reading
68:21
comic books again rather than watching
68:23
lots and lots and lots of shows hmm for
68:29
Brendon mm-hmm a Marvel We Trust so far
68:32
they haven't failed me fair enough
68:34
I mean Thor 2 came close wait no Iron
68:38
Fist they have but wasn't really on them
68:41
okay no cap Marvel was watchable but it
68:49
bordered my safe they've had some
68:52
borderline clunkers but yeah guardians
68:54
to sorry folks gardens to wasn't wasn't
68:57
that great for me anyway guys we were
68:58
over time we are let me tap out this
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