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long have I waited for my podcast
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partner to come to the studio and now
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I'm sorry I'm here already
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blurt up folks I'm Brendon and this is
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Mel hi welcome to the show where we talk
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about nerd culture from Abby POV a black
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POV we thought we can squeeze in another
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show before the new year but we managed
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to see the rise of Skywalker ahead of
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its South Korean release date so we're
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going to review and discuss spoilers
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mm-hmm we're going to also rank all 11
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read it's been pretty well received so
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far and we'll explore a bit of that
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content in our spoiler review look we'll
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check it out okay let's get to it so
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we're gonna first give a very brief
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summary of our overall thoughts because
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everyone's seen this by now well
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everybody except for the people we know
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in Korea but sure okay yeah most of them
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yeah most of them okay yeah we will do
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that yeah let's start with the good you
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go first
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I don't know that I could even really
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break this down into good bad ok
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whatever for me it was fine it wasn't it
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wasn't good it wasn't bad I really okay
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so here's the thing
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I feel like Star Wars critiques are the
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best and worst thing about the nerd
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community because it's gots the
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mythology and the ranking of Star Wars
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in everybody's mind is so big that
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everybody does these really meticulous
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critiques and we were never able as a
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community to step away and say it was
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okay it doesn't really but it doesn't
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really deserve a lot of these really
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deep drawn critiques so I have I tend to
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kind of step away from Star Wars
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critiques so this is actually really
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gonna be a challenging podcast for me
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because 90% of it I'm just like it was
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fine it was fine that was how I felt
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watching the movie okay it wasn't as
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awful as I thought it would be listening
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to you talk about it but it wasn't good
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either
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it was just what it was it was mediocre
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it was entirely mediocre there so the
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good I don't know okay it's fine it's
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fine for me i think the good as we
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expect from a Star Wars movie the
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visuals and sound are great thus if
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Planet X goal is especially striking ya
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know you're not keep going
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I think the acting particularly Daisy
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Ridley and Adam driver were good like no
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one is bad in this movie but the film
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really rest on their shoulders mmm true
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like no matter though the plot choices
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that we weren't satisfied with mean they
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did their best to sell it right the
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actors do do a good job with what
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they've got yeah you can certainly see
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the conflict on their faces there right
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there no spoilers about this space opera
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you know the good guys are going to win
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of course they're gonna beat Thanos you
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know I'm saying but the ending with the
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friends reuniting to embrace each other
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they got to me a little bit yeah I mean
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I will say this is the first of the new
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trilogy that I felt like there were
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actually relationships between the
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character with one glaring exception
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which I'm sure we'll get to the spoilers
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I felt if they're actually more
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believable relationships with the
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characters I think I might have said on
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a previous show when we were talking
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about the Star Wars trailer that one of
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the problems with the characters in the
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new trilogy is that you don't like in
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the in the first tril of the original
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trilogy and the prequels you do feel
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like when they do those big time skips
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in between movies that there's been
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stuff happening
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in the interim that has changed the
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relationships between the characters but
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you didn't really get that between these
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two most recent movies and then with
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this one you finally get that sense like
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you're like okay their friendship has
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changed their relationships have changed
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and that's okay
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I mean but even with the original
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trilogy this had more time together
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right you are chilling and the Falcon
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with obi-wan learning about the force
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right as well as themselves there's so
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much of that when han and Leia get
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trapped in that that monster as they
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were escaping the Empire and they had
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there's a lot more of them and I really
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felt hmm in his new trilogy yeah I to me
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I really didn't feel connection there's
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a little more in this movie but I redid
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until that connection throughout this
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this trilogy this movie but just just on
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the strength of their acting and that
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embrace yeah was enough mmm-hmm that's
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all the good I have okay like I said it
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was fine like I mean I it was Pikachu
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detective Pikachu of Star Wars movies it
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wasn't awful but I mean there's nothing
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here that was really like I said with
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one glaring exception which I'm sure
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we'll get to in the spoilers there was
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just nothing there to really make me
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want to delve like delve deeply into it
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I mean there are much better Star Wars
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properties to really think deeply and
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analyze this was not a high on the list
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it was just very middle-of-the-road sure
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I'm gonna get to the battle quick this
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movie felt to me extremely rushed and
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disjointed from the last Jedi you've
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probably already heard this a lot but
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there were a number of plants that
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deserved more time there were events
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that happened that feel unearned and
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there's little emotional payoff
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throughout like half of this movie is
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exposition mmm-hmm this movie was
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co-written by Chris Terrio who wrote
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Batman vs Superman Man of Steel and
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Justice League they were all bad to
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mediocre films yeah yeah I agree with
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with you most of the way I think Man of
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Steel is better than people give it
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actually watched it again the other
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night I think it's not bad it's better
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written than people give it credit for
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it did what tanked mana steel actually I
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think of some of the performances and
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the visual look of it in a lot of ways
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it made it way too dark for no reason
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but if you if that had been in the hand
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of a different director and maybe with
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some different actors I think it would
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have been different but even so that
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just brings up the point that I'm
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constantly making it must be so great to
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be a C student and just do this well and
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get like these kinds of jobs right I
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really wish that we well I mean we're
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getting there slowly but you know I
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really wish that we had the ability to
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be that mediocre and still do
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billion-dollar blockbusters like this I
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mean come on true who looked at him and
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said and to be fair well there's a lot
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going into this but ultimately I think
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what I think your point about it being
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rushed is very true but I also feel like
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in this movie just watching it it was
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very clear that JJ Abrams was very much
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like the last Jedi was not the middle of
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the trilogy you were looking for like he
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was kind of hand waving it for us he
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wasn't really trying to he really wasn't
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paying any attention to anything that
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happened in that movie I got a better
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metaphor and I made it mean about it you
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saw it I made a mean with Dave
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Chappelle's Rick James on Charlie
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Murphy's couch and Rick James as JJ
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Abrams in the last night's the couch and
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he's just like yo movie nigga
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because the last Jedi because JJ Abrams
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did the first one right I mean he did
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the last one for whatever reason he
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didn't do the middle one hmm and because
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he didn't I think he probably feels some
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type of way about it when it's trying to
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bring his his vision back did he go do
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that Star Trek movies like the third
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right yeah so he did and I don't know
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the whole story behind that but it was
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clearly a cadet I he's trying to kind of
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retro actively push it out of the
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universe because it oh there's a lot of
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ways which I'm sure we'll get to in
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which the last Jedi could not have
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existed and this movie still could have
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happened they should have added another
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inch to the text at the beginning and
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just pretended the last Jedi didn't
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exist I felt like that's what he was
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doing with this movie yeah and that's
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the problem which was when my friends
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and fan of the show Nick Hart said it
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best when he he messaged me he said
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there's there was no road map
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on how to develop these stories
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absolutely rudderless no Kevin Feige no
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Dave Filoni these movies continue to
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remind me why the Clone Wars and rebels
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are so superior because they take their
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time to tell their stories and establish
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characters well they clearly have a
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story in mind I mean I've only watched a
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little bit of the Star Wars shows but
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you can tell that there's an you're
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right he's he's right there's no
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direction there's no overarching story
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there's no end game in mind for these
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and there never was so you can't have
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nine movies and not know what the
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overarching story and theme is cuz they
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clearly didn't yeah my last little
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quibble before we get to spoilers is I
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found the fights less imaginative or
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impressive than other movies Adam driver
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and Daisy Ridley don't seem to be very
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physical actors compared to Hayden
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Christensen or you McGregor and Ray Park
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very true
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at least the directors aren't giving
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them much to do the fight on the ruins
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of a Death Star that's in the trailer
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that's blown that surrounded by water
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was probably the best it had the most
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emotional stakes for me dating fight was
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in your words fine
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yeah but too brief yeah Adam driver did
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better than I thought he would yeah
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Daisy Ridley was kind of phoning it in
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like they it's a good thing for her that
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we have really good effects I think but
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you do see a lot there's a lot of fights
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in this where I'm like really come on
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now this isn't that doesn't work like
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you get like a really big person
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fighting a really small person or like
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in just ways that don't make physical
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sense and it's like an only hand wave
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things way with the force so much a lot
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of hand waving yeah there were a lot of
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just fight scenes that didn't that were
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that didn't seem visually plausible but
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they were really doing their best to
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sell it to you I think whoever did the
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fight choreography and that particular
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part of the filmmaking kind of dropped
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the ball because they were trying to be
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magic with it yeah well they are magic
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right yeah they are but you know we'll
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get to even magic has rules okay
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let me just close down before we get to
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this as for this here so for me I know
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you say he was fine but for me as
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someone who has going to put this stuff
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whose you know read the books and bought
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games and watched all the shows this is
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to me a sad into in this trilogy and a
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over 40 year old story it solidified to
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me that these new movies are are
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collectively worse than the prequels in
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terms of vision like I have more respect
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for the prequels now because of this
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movie having so many cooks in the
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kitchen really hurt where this franchise
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could have gone some of the choices in
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this movie made some of the most
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important scenes implied choices in
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previous films almost irrelevant it also
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makes choices and its own movie
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irrelevant people cheered when JJ Abrams
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returned but seeing what Ryan Johnson
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set up in the last I I I kind of
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wish he would have stayed and finished
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what he started
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I don't last Jedi was awful but I mean I
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think that they should have respected
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what he did more and like actually
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created a through story that worked with
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what he did in the second movie yeah I
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still think last today has problems well
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just like that because I have no respect
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for it
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compared to this movie hmm okay I think
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yeah I get the respect thing but still
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just as far as pure watch ability I
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think this movie was much more which is
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terrible to say cuz movie was borderline
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unwatchable I was bored to death and
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that's unusual because it's Star Wars
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I shouldn't be bored during a Star Wars
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movie I've sat through so many Star Wars
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movies and I love Star Wars also but
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this movie was I was I had to really
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focus mmm right I it wasn't it wasn't
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necessarily very enjoyable as far as
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watch ability but it was still more
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watchable for me than the last Jedi okay
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yeah interesting mm-hmm all right I also
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want to know before we move on
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apparently this movie has the worst
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critical reviews since the Phantom
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Menace interesting yeah yeah but again
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Star Wars is the best and worst thing
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about the nerd universe hmm very true
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forget to suppose I want to just briefly
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the box office numbers the force awakens
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opening weekend was around 250 million
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dollars is about 247 million dollars and
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it ended worldwide with two point zero
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six billion dollars very impressive no
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one's ever gonna catch up to that blast
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should I
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the last shot is opening weekend was two
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hundred and twenty million and ended
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with 1.3 billion dollars hmm half yeah
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but still not bad oh it didn't it wasn't
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a bomb by any means no it's not going to
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be at Star Wars I mean that's the thing
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there's that safety net that that's C
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students safety net well this is where
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it gets interesting because the rise of
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Skywalker opened to a hundred and
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seventy five million dollars
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domestically mmm-hmm which is wait a
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minute say that again
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one hundred and seventy five million
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dollars domestically what was its budget
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oh I'm sure it was probably in the 250
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range you know how much movies are yeah
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this is not a bomb though mmm cuz
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obviously worldwide I think it'd yeah it
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was at like 450 by that by the weekend
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right and so I mean it's not gonna be a
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bomb it's gonna make over okay it's
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gonna hit a boondoggle
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right but it's still I think it's gonna
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come out lower than the other two
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possibly probably but I like that you
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said we're starting to see the cracks
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here mm-hm and I think it's wise for a
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dizzy to take a break
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mmm focus on the show is really
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developed their characters and maybe
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come at this five or so years down the
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road with a real solid vision but you
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know here's the thing how Star Wars ever
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really been about that Star Wars isn't
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like a Marvel or a DC where there's been
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like a cohesive attempt at solid unified
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world building ever
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I mean Star Wars has always been kind of
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amorphous in that way we were talking
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about this a little bit the other day
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where you know it kind of was a
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free-for-all for a long time where
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people were writing novels that you know
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there's this whole can't what's can and
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what's not Canon
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there were graphic novels there were all
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of these things that people were
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contributing to the Star Wars universe
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but I don't know I think that's part of
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the beauty of it but
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at the same time maybe it is time to
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just let star wars just turn it loose
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and let everybody contribute things to
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it because you're think you're ever
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gonna be able to get a cohesive vision
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out of it at this point well I don't
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know I think the fact that Disney has
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bought it while that free-for-all was
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still kind of happening I think now that
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they've realized that critically and
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perhaps seeing this drop with rise of
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Skywalker even financially this is not
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sustainable so taking that break to kind
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of regroup because they're releasing
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comic books as well they're releasing
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novels as well and under their brand now
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they're I mean they are letting other
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people do this but maybe it's time for
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them to take a break
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really get some oversight over
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everything and mainly right the ship so
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I mean I don't know yeah I mean but I
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think just I don't know I guess I just
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feel like the Star Wars universe has
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always been very open I mean it is an
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entire universe I mean there were whole
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books that were just short stories about
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a character you saw once in a bar and
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Mos Eisley you know for example but and
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I don't know maybe it's time to let it
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be really a universe in that sense and
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just let it expand indefinitely with a
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lot of different a lot of different ways
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and stop focusing on movies because I
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don't know how you go forward from here
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without them being a letdown to some
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extent also because I think that these
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this last trilogy has played so heavily
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off of people's nostalgia for the
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original trilogy and people's desire for
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something better after the prequels that
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I don't that I feel like generationally
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the shift is going to be so huge that
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people will be on to something very
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unlike Star Wars by the time they
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actually sort all of this out that's a
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good point
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yeah very good point I mean again maybe
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the TV shows are the way to go maybe
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yeah for now
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I mean just let people discover new
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things within the universe perhaps yeah
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feel like that would be the most
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creative way to go forward sure but I
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don't know anyway so like I said like I
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said this movie is on pace so he'd hit a
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billion dollars it will be come Disney's
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seventh billion dollar movie this year
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you know I'm gonna ask us I don't know
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these things what are the other six you
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can guess
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well because Disney owns everything
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that's the problem list yeah okay
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endgame I'm sure yes
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Oh frozen - probably what else has been
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out that's under the Disney Aegis now Oh
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Lion King yes boo right
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spider-man yes awesome home that's for
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I'm just trying to think cuz Disney owns
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everything like I could literally say
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anything that was famous and it would be
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under that that particular what else is
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a story but no toy stores Pixar isn't
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it's not Disney they don't own that yet
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thank god the overlords have not taken
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over everything hmm
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what are the other two what are the
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other two what else has come out this
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year
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if I tell you're gonna get upset I'm not
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gonna get up sex I really don't know so
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tell me Captain Marvel I forgot about
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that actually in Aladdin oh I forgot
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about that I was thinking Aladdin but
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for some reason in my head Aladdin came
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out last year I'm already in 2020 okay
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but you know out of those set out of
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these seven movies there's only one that
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I really loved didn't want to watch
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again right that's interesting
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see this is the problem when you have
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evil overlords everything becomes kind
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of mushy you've got to appeal to too
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many people I think that there's
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definitely a beauty and being nice
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you're letting Nisha's develop anyway
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let's get to the spoilers yes again I'm
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sure everyone's have seen this film and
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if you haven't come listen to it later
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yeah three two one let's go just beat by
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beat and get it here we gotta get into
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it yeah I get out the gate Palpatine is
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in the opening title card without really
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any context he's just sending Trump
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tweets out everyone basically yeah I'm
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here exactly yeah Kyle just shows up at
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dudes crib yeah
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Palpatine just starts talking without
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any explanation and why would anybody
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know who he is at this point
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I mean kylo knows I mean he's he's he's
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been worshipping Vader everybody else
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there is a point later where somebody
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says yeah these guys sound crazy they
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sound like weird druids and whatnot in
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the universe woods but yeah that was
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just what is he doing here why are we
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acting like this isn't a big deal yeah I
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just love you know he's like how are you
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live
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like the dark side is a path to many
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abilities some consider to be unnatural
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it's like the movies almost trying to do
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a Jedi mind trick on us oh yeah you need
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to worry about this exactly and then
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later marry The Hobbit has that one that
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one line right he's a clone like maybe
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okay but hold on I'm sure he's not a
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clone because who clones themself and
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comes back as a wrinkly and decrepit old
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man right like really you just cloned
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yourself seventy-nine thousand years old
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right now we know why Snoke was such a
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mystery he was made by the Emperor but
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also what the hell does that mean right
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exactly and why was he important if he
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was made why would you go to all the
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trouble of making a different guy to be
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your stalking horse when you are a
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Palpatine just be Palpatine or just make
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a clone yourself if kylo so powerful
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just clone work kylos they're young and
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younger and I mean just and if Palpatine
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had these kind of four strings on Snoke
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as a puppet mm-hmm why couldn't Luke
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Leia or Yoda detect not exactly and also
21:05
let's be real basically this set up the
21:09
movie to be mediocre from the jump
21:11
because this is a completely toothless
21:13
villain oh it's Palpatine I guess he's
21:16
gonna get thrown over a bridge again
21:17
like we really don't know anything we
21:19
just gonna use fighting again exec
21:21
himself up exactly we don't know
21:23
anything about him but at the same time
21:25
we know everything about him that's the
21:27
worst villain development in the
21:28
universe true literally Palpatine was
21:31
hidden from the Jedi Council because he
21:34
didn't use his powers around them in
21:37
contrast his movie apparently he's using
21:39
his stuff across light-years and no
21:42
one's picking this up but there aren't
21:44
really any Jedi I mean there's ways to
21:47
justify that who cares that's the
21:50
problem right this movie says who cares
21:52
yeah because which is why I'm very much
21:54
like it was fine that was said and we
21:57
were just acts accepted and one or two
22:00
things maybe but there was a lot and
22:03
we'll get into that more so let's cut to
22:06
rey levitating the rocks like she's in
22:08
avatar mode against fire lord ozai
22:12
and let us somehow training her because
22:14
Leia totally knows what this is my first
22:17
racket against the feminist narrative of
22:19
this movie and the betrayal of Rey I've
22:21
never seen any other male Jedi do what
22:25
she has done in such a short amount of
22:27
time Luke wasn't anywhere near this
22:29
powerful before he confronted Vader but
22:32
raised all like I have to earn his
22:35
lightsaber our people saying that this
22:37
is a feminist narrative because if it is
22:40
there's a lot of flaws with that because
22:41
Rey is completely a MarySue she's a very
22:43
an interesting character she just sort
22:45
of hangs around in districts we're gonna
22:48
I'm gonna go down a list people actually
22:50
saying that it's a feminist narrative
22:52
I'm really shocked if they if that's the
22:53
case yeah Wow okay i yeah like I said I
22:58
kind of I see Star Wars and I just sort
23:01
of smell armpits and step away on the
23:02
Internet I do I just there's just not
23:04
anything interesting and anybody's
23:06
critique it's so hard to find good stuff
23:07
which is why I'm like I'm really working
23:09
hard to make sure that we're being
23:10
interesting here yeah it is again raised
23:14
better than Luke but she has to earn his
23:17
stuff the man who failed his greatest
23:19
pupil and helped start the problems in
23:21
this trilogy like shouldn't the goal of
23:24
a Jedi to make her own lightsaber the
23:27
visual dictionary says that she learned
23:29
how to rebuild Anakin's lightsaber
23:32
through the Jedi texts but wouldn't have
23:34
been nice to learn that in the movie
23:37
along with maybe her learning how to
23:40
heal things for reasons hmm and as you
23:44
said maybe she could use the force to
23:45
develop a personality she's completely
23:48
well I mean what does she do she's she's
23:51
interesting but they're everything about
23:52
her I see this is why I am really
23:54
annoyed if this is meant to be a ferret
23:56
feminist narrative it's the same problem
23:57
as Captain Marvel everything about her
23:59
is told to us by somebody else or is
24:02
connected to somebody else that's not
24:04
okay ABB's I completely agree with you
24:07
and yeah the the Leia being her master
24:11
that's not a big deal for me I mean it
24:13
would be nice to have learned more about
24:15
Leia's training and abilities but
24:19
because Luke's gone I mean leah has
24:22
something she could she could give some
24:23
sort of advice that's not a big deal
24:25
yeah org and character should have fossa
24:27
Flay is going to be raised trainer she
24:29
needs to not know what she's doing I
24:30
mean did to see that or she needs to be
24:32
figuring out as she goes along and we
24:33
need to see that but instead we have her
24:35
doing this Gaia the Earth Mother thing
24:37
with her extremely Photoshop lens flared
24:40
face like just the force the force is
24:44
what we're doing the forces everything
24:46
like how do you know this yeah
24:50
again magic is magic but magic has rules
24:54
I want to go into personna which is that
24:56
kind of Middle Eastern planet that that
25:00
they met Landa one yeah that was one my
25:04
favorite parts the movie and for me the
25:07
funniest moment was when Threepio was
25:08
explaining the culture and everyone just
25:10
stops and starts looking at him and then
25:12
he turns to let's see what they're
25:14
looking at yeah I I have to be honest
25:17
there are times when I really relate to
25:19
c-3po yeah that was that was cool me
25:24
those people were cute I liked them
25:25
actually trying to do some growth
25:27
learning with culture it's not just like
25:29
every play it's like a shithole like yes
25:33
I see your attention British people yeah
25:36
yeah yeah and you know that pole
25:38
situation in personna the one thing I
25:40
liked about that also is that that's
25:42
where you where I started to think okay
25:44
so I get that there's relationships
25:45
between these people now there's been
25:47
stuff going on behind the scenes so now
25:49
they're all know that c-3po is annoying
25:50
where before they don't even really
25:51
interact with him okay we kind of start
25:53
to there's more relationship building
25:57
there's more evidence of relationship
25:59
build yeah by the time we get there and
26:01
I quite like that yeah mm-hmm Lando I
26:04
like Lando I told everyone and the was
26:07
at the previous show that I think Lando
26:08
is probably the second coolest black
26:11
fictional character on in fiction on
26:13
screen at least yeah but if they're
26:16
tracking a Sith assess and why is this
26:17
old man there yeah he just sort of piped
26:20
in and was like hello hello hello
26:22
give Leah my love like what does anybody
26:26
know you're still alive right like are
26:29
we supposed to be surprised to see you
26:30
are they supposed to be surprised to see
26:32
you not hear what Chewie is just like oh
26:34
it's you again like what right like wait
26:37
wait a minute like dudes not even like
26:39
where's hon oh he'd even ask about no
26:43
Hans dead Wow wait wait hold on and
26:49
loose at least Luke asked about it in
26:51
the last movie how do you turn the black
26:54
man who's not a Jedi or have any force
26:55
sensitivity into the magical Negro he
26:57
just shows up to be like look at me look
26:59
at this and then he disappears in a puff
27:01
of smoke like leaving the sense of Colt
27:04
45 and cools behind like oh the hot
27:12
thing I had even catched that great
27:14
great cat I mean that was his best
27:16
friend
27:17
yeah I mean just this old man being
27:20
there like doesn't the resistance have
27:21
special forces for this hey guys and
27:24
doesn't even know that Luke's dead does
27:27
he know anything like he'd there's no he
27:30
doesn't say or do anything again this is
27:32
the bad writing because they're resting
27:34
on their laurels the same way they do
27:35
with Palpatine we know everything about
27:37
we know everything about Lando but we
27:39
also know nothing about Lando yeah our
27:41
whole response to Lando being in this is
27:43
based on his presence in previous movies
27:45
I could imagine being a kid and watching
27:47
this movie as my first Star Wars movie
27:48
ever and being like why is he important
27:50
yeah like there's no reason for him to
27:52
be there there's no there's no evidence
27:56
of his connection to the previous movies
27:57
there's no evidence of his connection to
27:59
the current story but he's just he's the
28:03
Bagger Vance of Star Wars for no reason
28:06
like what's he doing there did you think
28:08
she was dead when a ray blasted that
28:11
ship
28:11
no only because everybody was being way
28:14
too hysterical about it and then the
28:16
next scene was like let's fly like what
28:18
wait there's no like memorial like
28:20
you're not gonna memorialize him he must
28:22
be alive somewhere
28:23
I don't know how okay that whole scene
28:25
though that was so hysterical and over
28:28
the top John boyega oh and he did that
28:32
he's just started like shrieking all of
28:34
a sudden you know just like geek he got
28:37
way over the top with it and yeah I just
28:41
everybody was just screeching at the top
28:43
of their lungs and I was like this is
28:45
you guys are working real hard to make
28:47
this script to sell this script to me
28:49
but just from the way you're acting and
28:51
the fact that the next scene has
28:53
no emotional residence at all potiki oh
28:55
exactly he was like niggas get shot
28:57
every devi i know basically he was like
28:59
I don't gotta run the vacuum no more
29:01
[Laughter]
29:05
yeah yeah yeah it wouldn't happen when
29:09
it happened I was a bit numb I was like
29:11
wow this is really sudden and then I
29:14
thought it was kind of funny when they
29:16
put their hands in for Chewie reminded
29:17
me of gern's the galaxy I was like okay
29:20
we're all standing ships right but then
29:25
of course there was another transport I
29:27
mean just how lazy writing yeah cuz I
29:31
did get mad for a second like they're
29:33
just gonna kill Chewie like that right
29:34
right like the like the only remaining
29:36
og from the original trilogy he just
29:39
blows up out of nowhere like first of
29:41
all how they Kidman it's like that key
29:43
and peele sketch where they're being
29:45
auctioned off of slaves and they see
29:46
this really big dunno like how did they
29:48
catch him that's what I was like how
29:49
they catch chewy like Poe and should we
29:51
stand together and they take Chewie I
29:53
mean they have blasters I don't know I
29:55
guess yeah yeah I think ray should have
30:00
really hurt or killed someone I mean
30:02
give us some real depth you know and you
30:04
know if she's that sensitive in the
30:06
force and Finn is also growing in that
30:09
way too and and could feel her death why
30:12
couldn't they feel it for him and not
30:13
feel he not dead or on the other ship
30:16
like he just again just lazy right right
30:18
and what I didn't catch also is how did
30:21
they know he wasn't dead later cuz they
30:23
never really explained that they're just
30:25
like let's go get Chewie and I'm like
30:26
how did you know he's not dead I missed
30:28
that I must have been like I must have
30:31
gotten bored and sort of scrolling on my
30:32
phone or something and missed it and
30:34
didn't run it back you know what I
30:37
forget - yeah I but I I almost I know
30:41
they said something about okay but I I
30:43
don't remember what yeah what happened
30:44
because I mean the next time you see
30:46
Chewie he's being imprisoned and then
30:47
the next time you see him he's being
30:48
rescued and I I don't remember where
30:52
they establish that they're going that
30:54
they know he's there and they're going
30:55
to rescue him which brings up another
30:57
criticism this is a mighty small
30:58
universe like everything is five minutes
31:02
away from everything else and people
31:04
just coincidentally are like in the same
31:06
neighborhood all the time
31:07
yeah like magically this thing is on end
31:09
or just really this is a galaxy we're
31:13
talking about here this is a whole
31:15
entire galaxy galaxies are large and
31:17
have many planets but we seem to kind of
31:19
go to the same five places and everybody
31:21
seems to sort of only know those same
31:23
five places and even not I mean I don't
31:26
want to get into the magic of Lightspeed
31:28
and how really it should take longer
31:31
time to get to places but it does let's
31:32
just I mean that I can hand wave just
31:34
fine because I mean the force okay magic
31:36
is magic and has rules but one of the
31:38
rules could be okay we it enables
31:39
extremely fast time travel like dune or
31:41
something space travel like dude or
31:43
something but they're not using the
31:44
Foresters using science in it yeah but
31:46
I'd still be able to I mean the what in
31:49
Star Wars is really science honestly
31:51
nobody saying here's the force and
31:56
saying this is light speed right we know
31:59
what that constant is okay that's fair
32:01
enough
32:02
that's firmly positioned so that's kind
32:05
of okay but even so hand waving the
32:09
light speed think for a second it's
32:10
still a galaxy right but everybody is in
32:13
the same neighborhood like everybody's
32:15
on the same block right and just
32:17
something crazy about that yeah like
32:18
they're all like running into each other
32:20
at the convenience store on a Saturday
32:21
night like a general Hux hate you to buy
32:23
like what I want to get to how they
32:29
enter the Star Destroyer hangar to save
32:32
Chewie
32:32
hmm are there no cameras when they do
32:35
start unit the place I thought that too
32:37
like there's no CCTV in the whole known
32:39
galaxy I really had to like stop and
32:41
think it through like is there a reason
32:42
that they don't have cameras because
32:44
they made it a point to shoot cameras
32:45
later on the ship that's what God makes
32:47
at first I was like okay so maybe it's
32:50
because this is like the 1970s version
32:52
of the future and they're still like
32:53
CCTV wasn't a thing then so they haven't
32:55
gone back and retrofitted it in and that
32:57
makes a lot of sense but wait no there's
32:58
cameras now what well let's I want to go
33:01
back to a new hope cuz hotland
33:02
when Han and Luke got taken aboard the
33:07
the Star Destroyer they tricked the
33:10
stormtroopers into boarding the Falcon
33:11
so they can jump them and take the
33:12
uniforms so they could be undetected
33:14
right um but in this film they had
33:16
actual access to get into the Star
33:19
Destroyer
33:20
compared to Han and Luke getting
33:22
captured by the tractor beam you had
33:24
kind of the advantage on them you could
33:26
have thought them less had been done
33:27
what you did but you chose not yeah and
33:29
then you just started shaking up the
33:30
place and again three folks shooting in
33:33
an open hangar against surrounded by
33:35
stormtroopers again how does that work
33:37
me I know they can't shoot but I just
33:38
found that crazy you're not like there's
33:40
no way you could miss right and there's
33:43
there's several of you and these dudes I
33:46
mean the stormtroopers are wearing body
33:47
armor sure we just walking around in his
33:49
carpet like right just shoot me yeah so
33:56
but yeah that was just again just weird
33:58
lazy writing and then Pope gets shot in
34:01
the arm yeah and that never becomes a
34:03
thing later who cares I always wondered
34:06
do the blasters and Star Wars have like
34:09
settings like the blasters in Star Trek
34:10
because you can see like burning red
34:12
holes and people when they get shot but
34:14
then the next scene they're walking
34:15
around like no big deal
34:16
back tank I guess yeah back to its
34:19
powerful I suppose yeah you know it's
34:23
still still on on that scene if kylo
34:25
still good at finding Rey why didn't he
34:26
know that she was on his ship yeah that
34:29
was weird like he knew everything about
34:30
her except that side note how can kylo
34:34
still force time ray if she cut him out
34:36
in the last movie yeah that was strange
34:39
too now I will say visually that seems
34:41
very interesting and I am looking
34:43
forward to seeing this in a proper
34:44
theater because I did there were things
34:47
I saw in this someone I'm like I'd like
34:48
to see that on like a big screen like 3d
34:50
with a big sound and everything but and
34:52
I thought that that seemed looked really
34:54
interesting the way that they they did
34:56
the interplay of them being in two
34:57
different places but magic is magic but
35:00
magic has rules the rules didn't make
35:03
any sense in this part not at all
35:04
it just looked nice yeah the whole the
35:06
berries from ki Jimmy spilled out on the
35:10
Death Star
35:11
like why like do they create some kind
35:13
of force bubble that opens wormholes or
35:16
Kyla took the necklace from Ray on that
35:19
Posada planet but it's like it's like
35:21
another Jedi Mind like it's good
35:23
it's cool don't worry about it it just
35:24
looks cool which I mean it does and the
35:27
thing is there it's just lazy writing
35:28
because they could have set that up and
35:31
made it much more impactful than just a
35:33
cool looking thing
35:34
because there are I guess again
35:35
precedence you could if they had gone to
35:38
the if they had gone to the trouble of
35:40
developing the story and developing the
35:42
characters and setting up the
35:44
developments in the magic system you
35:46
could that totally could have worked but
35:48
the way that they did it they just sort
35:49
of sprung it on you visually without any
35:51
explanation and Star Wars that's kind of
35:53
Star Wars brand I mean they show you a
35:55
lot of weird stuff and then that's why
35:56
people go and write entire books about
35:58
one scene hmm years later but it doesn't
36:02
work when it's this big of a set piece
36:04
and has this much impact on the plot yes
36:06
and that's that's been the problem
36:09
honestly since the beginning mmm
36:12
I mean I don't want to rehash and really
36:14
litigate the old movies but the fact
36:16
that even Rey could fight and beat kylo
36:21
Ren and the very beginning of the forth
36:24
in the force awakens this is still silly
36:26
to me it's kind of lazy I think people
36:28
know that the creators know that people
36:31
love Star Wars a lot and we're going to
36:33
read books and watch TV shows and read
36:36
comics about it later and then they're
36:38
kind of resting on the fact that they
36:39
can tell us these extra details and
36:41
other properties and the super fans will
36:43
really get it but that makes the the
36:46
movie is much less enjoyable yes there
36:49
have been a lot of powers and just
36:50
levels that have been introduced in
36:52
these latest films that compared to
36:55
before it's been harder to digest right
36:59
yeah so the level up between the
37:01
original trilogy and the prequels make
37:03
sense because in the prequels this was
37:05
minute Jedi Society was at its peak
37:06
everybody should be way better at
37:08
everything right right but now you've
37:10
got this these these post schools well
37:20
take you've got these sequels post polls
37:23
from now you've got these sequels and
37:25
they take place after a serious period
37:28
of attrition where nobody knew what was
37:29
going on really everybody was trying to
37:31
rediscover being a Jedi
37:33
everything had taken a turn towards
37:35
technology whatever that means in the
37:37
Star Wars universe and all of a sudden
37:40
you've got people displaying power
37:42
levels and abilities like the ones in
37:45
the past without actually having any
37:47
access Tinian
37:48
apparently although that is the one
37:50
thing that having Palpatine in this
37:52
movie could explain away but they didn't
37:54
bother to do that because pop team was
37:57
was around in the old days they didn't
37:59
bother to do that they just sort of said
38:01
and now we have teleporting face time
38:05
what is time
38:07
whatever it I think it's make it that's
38:08
even that is inconsistent because Luke
38:12
at the Jedi tags mmm-hmm he was training
38:15
students I mean what happened to Kyle oh
38:18
yeah Kyle was essentially trained since
38:19
birth mm-hmm since birth and then he got
38:24
trained by Snoke if he is Palpatine how
38:26
Bateen was a great lightsaber duelist
38:29
the way that kylo has always been
38:31
dueling in this trilogy has been really
38:34
sloppy
38:35
yeah and just well it's because Adam
38:37
driver is a gigantic human being he's
38:40
gonna look awkward no matter what it is
38:41
I don't know how big he was but you
38:43
really do see it a little out of the
38:44
duels in this but I think partially
38:46
because he's always up against Daisy
38:48
Ridley who's a tiny tiny woman but he
38:50
just looks ridiculous it's like watching
38:52
a grasshopper fight with a sword he does
38:56
a good job with it I mean he's a very
38:57
good actor and he does sell you the
39:00
character through his motions because
39:01
you do kind of get the idea that you
39:02
know kylo is this basically a whiny
39:05
space and sell but I think I think that
39:08
the old sholde you did a better job even
39:11
or the original truly did their job even
39:13
though they weren't particularly as
39:15
proficient like you know Mark Hamill
39:17
wasn't that physical either yeah but I
39:19
mean he got better over time but there
39:22
was more emotion in the fights that kind
39:24
of sold it better and I know and as you
39:26
said because I don't ever such a good
39:28
actor she sells it but from a story
39:31
standpoint like this is the only guy
39:33
who's been trained since birth and this
39:35
yeah this is true and he should be just
39:38
so much better and the fact that she got
39:40
beat by Rey in the beginning I can yes
39:44
we can she just found out what a
39:45
lightsaber was yesterday yes yeah I mean
39:47
she just learned Jedi mind trick right
39:49
there she learned how to call a
39:51
lightsaber to her and it was just as I
39:54
said I don't want to because we have a
39:55
lot of talking she's very Mary Sue and
39:56
that's I really just they introduced
39:59
powers too fast and
40:01
- frequently in this film and they wind
40:04
up kind of being you know like you said
40:07
Jedi Mind Tricks they don't because they
40:09
do that they're don't have the impact
40:10
when you first see a real lightsaber
40:15
fight in the original trilogy it's
40:18
awesome because they introduced it
40:19
gradually and even though it literally
40:21
is just like it looks like two little
40:23
boys having a stick fight it's still
40:25
awesome because they've built it up and
40:28
it's really a part of the way of the
40:30
world in the universe when you see Darth
40:32
Maul unleash that double lightsaber that
40:36
he has in the first of the prequels
40:39
that's awesome but it's still pretty
40:42
awesome because it's a huge level up and
40:44
because you suddenly see oh this is what
40:47
the Jedi and the Sith are really
40:48
supposed to be like this is what they
40:50
were like before everything was lost
40:52
right in this one we're kind of trying
40:54
to split the difference between those
40:55
two things but they don't actually build
40:57
anything up it's there's no learning
40:59
curve there's no you don't really get to
41:01
journey with your heroes and that's the
41:03
problem
41:03
I completely agree anyway sorry moving
41:05
on Mauro's finn why was he so secretive
41:08
about his force sensitivity with Poe who
41:10
is his best friend
41:11
at this point sign of it on that did you
41:14
read about my about how he was trying to
41:18
get Disney to let them maybe him and
41:21
Finn have a I got a bromance but the
41:23
Disney overlords wouldn't let them do it
41:25
they really they really are just paying
41:27
Rose Tico dust in every possible way
41:29
aren't they yeah we'll get to her yeah
41:33
but yeah I just mean that would be nice
41:35
but they didn't set any of that up
41:36
really
41:37
I didn't think but they set up other
41:39
romantic avenues for Finn that never
41:41
went anywhere he's just you know chasing
41:43
behind Daisy Ridley like vanished yeah
41:49
they kind of eunuch eyes him it's not
41:50
cool yeah yeah I just I just found it if
41:53
if pose your best friend and you and you
41:56
really care about Rey as well what why
41:58
would you hide that from them like what
42:01
was the right time to tell them any like
42:03
it's not really and does he yeah and
42:06
again it's like this is one of those
42:08
places where they try to show the work
42:10
that's been going on behind the scenes
42:12
with these characters but they don't
42:13
write it well enough
42:15
for it to really have an impact and the
42:18
fact that it was a recurring gag mm-hmm
42:20
and there was no payoff for that at all
42:23
I he never told them and apparently JJ
42:26
Abrams confirmed that indeed what he
42:29
wanted to tell them the whole time was
42:31
that he was force sensitive not like
42:32
that he loved Drake that's what I
42:34
assumed the whole time hmm
42:36
like when a Mikaela oh I want to be like
42:38
Oh what was it oh uh nothing nothing no
42:41
it's it's fine my dude no yeah if he's
42:45
actually an important technical ability
42:47
here yes if you're able to get training
42:49
from Ray or late at this point why would
42:51
you hide that this terrible writing he
42:54
doesn't this character is really not
42:56
very well from at all he's been all six
42:58
different people over the course of
42:59
three movies yeah so it's kind of make
43:01
up your mind dude do they have therapy
43:03
in the galaxy in the few you know anyway
43:07
well I want to get to that a little bit
43:08
later if we can mm-hmm about my article
43:11
but okay how do you feel about Huck's
43:13
feeling himself as the spy I mean I'm
43:15
glad they finally gave Donald Grayson
43:16
something to do but at the same time it
43:21
was very it was like something I have a
43:23
different movie like all of a sudden
43:24
he's like I'm the spy okay shoulda had a
43:31
mustache it's just like something out of
43:32
Casino Royale
43:33
I have no spine no I'm the spy and then
43:35
I will say this one of the few moments
43:38
in this film it actually shocked me was
43:39
when he just got blown away yeah I mean
43:43
yeah we found this by the end yeah I was
43:47
but that was just so pointless um again
43:48
I I go back to the TV shows rebels host
43:51
the idea of a traitor much much better
43:54
like Huck's could have been the inside
43:55
man doing the rest of the movie helping
43:56
him out or he or they could have
43:58
bothered to set that up in the previous
44:00
two movies cuz he's been around this
44:01
whole time and why would he suddenly be
44:02
a spy he was like in charge of I mean
44:05
he's been like the head Nazi this whole
44:07
time and now he's a spy why why does he
44:10
hate kylo Ren that much we never really
44:12
get any of this character development I
44:14
mean we've seen even from the first
44:16
because I watched the the first two how
44:19
he always kind of when he was talking to
44:22
Snoke alongside Kyle and he would give
44:24
him give him advice it would be like
44:27
alright Huck you got it and he
44:28
kind of like look over at Kyla like yeah
44:30
bitch I'm still here mmm it's like yeah
44:33
but yeah would you betray all this
44:36
entire ideology I thought it was kind of
44:39
weird yeah but again I think that's also
44:41
because in the middle movie middles of
44:43
chili teas are always my least favorite
44:45
and I think having them made by a
44:46
completely different person who clearly
44:48
wanted the story to end in a different
44:49
way isn't helpful no they said JJ Abrams
44:53
set stuff up in the first movie which
44:54
clearly didn't get followed through in
44:56
the second movie and then he's trying to
44:59
go back to those same threads and tell
45:00
the same story he intended all along in
45:02
the third movie and it doesn't work
45:03
because the middles done something
45:04
completely different so it's like you've
45:06
got it's like it's like trying to tell a
45:09
story and you like have to leave and
45:11
somebody else tells it for you and then
45:13
you come back after an hour and try and
45:14
tell the story you originally had in
45:16
mind yeah it just doesn't work I agree
45:21
Jana who I don't know her nobody knows
45:27
her they better write a book about her I
45:30
I told you probably in the other podcast
45:32
and on Instagram I was just like kind of
45:34
fin I was excited to finally see this
45:36
black woman in a movie with natural hair
45:38
and she started out great yeah into the
45:43
background yeah I mean it was crazy to
45:46
me is she was another stormtrooper who
45:49
committed mutiny yeah all of them were
45:52
that's an amazing story what did they do
45:55
with that and and she did it on a
45:57
feeling so is she
45:59
force sensitive just like which I mean
46:03
this is potential for a really good book
46:06
in the future because apparently you've
46:07
got a whole segment of the stormtroopers
46:10
who are force sensitive which then leads
46:11
them to become mutineers and that's a
46:13
great story I kind of wish that had been
46:15
the story all along to be honest but
46:18
yeah they don't really do anything with
46:20
it they introduce this great concept and
46:22
then at the end well we'll get there I'm
46:24
sure keep going and that's you know
46:27
folks are going to you know say maybe
46:29
I'm a sexist but the idea of a
46:33
stormtrooper who was taken as a child
46:36
and it's slaved to be a fighter for the
46:40
Empire rebelling
46:42
and developing forest powers to defeat
46:44
his former captors would make for a much
46:47
more interesting story than just ray
46:50
being a nobody right I will say this
46:54
though I kind of hate that that's the
46:57
backstory of the stormtroopers I always
46:58
have liked that they're basically child
47:01
slaves child soldiers that have been
47:02
like it it removes the teeth from the
47:05
ideology of the the rebels versus the
47:07
Empire right he's being kind of just
47:09
yeah the fact that they're basically
47:11
brainwashed leaves kind of like I didn't
47:12
really love the fact or a lot of them
47:14
are clones as well I've always hated
47:15
that okay
47:16
like I thought that here's the thing it
47:19
really briefly what I feel like it's
47:23
lame and kind of a cop-out to make evil
47:26
not know it's evil to make evil
47:31
unwilling right if you're gonna have bad
47:34
guys they can't be bad guys because a
47:36
big bad guy fooled them into thinking
47:38
they that they're they I mean if the
47:41
people who are on the bad guy side don't
47:43
have a personal investment in what
47:45
they're doing then it seems kind of
47:49
unfair for the whole the good side who
47:51
are all there by choice to be shooting
47:54
them and beating them for nine movies
47:57
now yeah I never really liked that that
48:00
retrofitting of where the stormtroopers
48:02
come from actually I totally agree with
48:04
that and as you said the original
48:06
trilogy they were just from what we
48:07
could see just space Nazis it's easy to
48:09
be like yet mm-hmm shoot them all mm-hmm
48:12
then you get to the clone wars and
48:13
they're just kind of just meat bags yeah
48:15
and and then if you watch the actual
48:18
Clone Wars TV show you have even more
48:20
sympathy mm-hmm for them so that retro
48:23
actively you're like well are the so a
48:24
lot of clones in Episode four cuz I feel
48:27
kind of bad now about that and they
48:29
never get to this new film where it's
48:30
like yeah these are just kids who were
48:33
who didn't know any better and who were
48:34
brainwashed essentially y'all just
48:35
happily gunning them down right exactly
48:38
I mean they're gunning you down too but
48:39
they'd never known anything better I
48:42
don't like and I don't like ambiguity of
48:45
evil without ambiguity of good as well I
48:47
guess that's what I'm trying to say and
48:48
they introduced all this ambiguity of
48:50
the of what they're currently trying to
48:52
present as evil without giving good
48:55
the good side I guess compatible
48:59
ambiguity even though they try with ray
49:01
I wanted to take the only yes were they
49:05
kind of try to do which is why I really
49:06
liked rogue one actually totally anyway
49:09
sorry good
49:10
you'll be okay I want to get to Kyle and
49:14
race fight on the Death Star ruins I
49:16
love that after she touched the the
49:18
wayfinder and sees some of the dark side
49:19
in her mm-hmm Kyle is like you can't go
49:23
back to her now like I can't I'm like
49:25
nigga yo not alike right exactly like
49:30
their whole relationship again bad bad
49:33
writing
49:34
I feel like him and smoked the way the
49:38
way they talk to her is like they just
49:40
trying to do like these like entitled
49:41
white men just trying to Gaslight her
49:44
they say straight man's playing the
49:46
whole time man's playing dis gaslighting
49:48
like oh you are this you're this you
49:49
can't do this like why would she even
49:52
want to be a Jedi I'm like why would I
49:54
join you like you you're clearly crazy
49:56
exactly like why that's not as appealing
49:59
as they think it is I think in my
50:01
opening scene I slaughtered innocent
50:03
villagers but me and you were the same
50:05
like you're not the same I was killing
50:07
literally yeah just no no their
50:12
relationship made no sense to me at all
50:13
like why are they this friendly really
50:15
and I want to go to Palpatine telling
50:20
Kyle oh after that fight he must you
50:24
know what let me let me let me go back
50:26
and I wanted to say my favorite part of
50:29
the movie which was han and kylo talking
50:34
yeah I always get really happy when I
50:35
see Han he's to me he was the heart of
50:37
the original trilogy yeah I love Han and
50:39
you know both of them I mean I don't I
50:42
was a great actor but you know here's a
50:44
four came to Act two yeah and I love
50:46
that he didn't do anything flashy I
50:47
didn't think he'd come back but I'm glad
50:49
he did that was nice man when Adam
50:52
driver was kind of like fighting the
50:54
worst to tell his father that he loved
50:56
him and he was like I know right just
50:58
like from impact I was like wow
51:00
have I told you my Han story from the
51:02
original trilogy no okay so when I was
51:04
like 7
51:05
my mother sat me down and was like we're
51:06
gonna watch these movies they are great
51:08
we sat and we watched
51:09
all the original trilogy movies and I
51:11
was into it man but I knew that like if
51:14
I had any kind of negative reaction my
51:15
mom wouldn't let me finish watching them
51:17
and at the end of Empire Strikes Back
51:19
when they froze Han and Carbonite I was
51:21
so horrified that I excused myself to go
51:24
and like secretly throw up and come back
51:26
because I was so hot but I didn't want
51:27
to like let my mom know how much it
51:29
upset me cuz I wanted to watch the rest
51:30
of the movie I wanted to see what
51:31
happened next right but I like whit and
51:33
like threw up and that I just came back
51:34
like nothing had happened like okay I'm
51:36
ready for the next movie we got popcorn
51:37
because I was I was horrified yes so
51:40
scared look on his face I was terrified
51:42
it was so bad yeah yeah yeah anyway I
51:50
want to go to Palpatine telling kylo
51:53
that he must kill ray before she becomes
51:56
a Jedi is she not a Jedi sorry I didn't
52:01
mean to yell but I didn't mean to yell
52:03
that was a stupidest thing like kill her
52:04
before she becomes a Jedi well then what
52:06
are you yeah like what's the criteria
52:09
for being a Jedi now and this is again
52:10
another strike against this feminist
52:14
like in the first film
52:15
she bested kylo Ren something Luke was
52:18
hardly close to in his first film and
52:20
kylo is easily stronger than Darth Vader
52:22
was um in the last Jedi she confronted
52:26
kylo and Snoke on their own turf and
52:29
returned the Jedi Luke was challenged by
52:31
Yoda to do the same thing with Emperor
52:33
and Vader or he didn't say go to go to
52:35
the Emperor he said just go to Vader
52:37
that's what Yoda said you have to
52:38
confront your friend your father or a
52:40
Jedi you will not be her son like that
52:42
she went to both of those dudes like is
52:44
that not enough even in the second film
52:46
she doesn't seem to have got she doesn't
52:49
have any guidance really because that
52:51
wasn't what Luke did in his appearance
52:52
in the last film and everybody is
52:55
constantly talking down to her and she's
52:57
a Jedi but she doesn't get to be because
52:59
the men don't approve this is kind of
53:01
garbage you know like I was really
53:02
annoyed with that mm-hmm you know like
53:04
she's clearly a Jetta and we haven't
53:06
because we haven't really had a lady
53:07
Jedi before this is just kind of a
53:10
strike against the writing because it
53:11
was clear that none of the men who've
53:13
been running this series had any idea
53:14
what to do with this character of Rey
53:16
they thought a girl Jedi would be cool
53:17
people will come and watch it but they
53:19
didn't actually put any thought into
53:20
actually what that is you haven't
53:22
watched the
53:23
a lot but the way that ahsoka tano is
53:25
used I mean she's honestly my favorite
53:27
character in the entire series she's
53:29
awesome look I really like her a lot so
53:31
if you have the chance to watch it I
53:33
recommend it but yeah you know ray she
53:36
bested multiple Imperial Guards who were
53:38
trained to defeat Jedi she levitated
53:40
multiple boulders to save her friend at
53:43
the end of that movie in Luke's fur in
53:46
the entire Strikes Back
53:47
she thirst-trapping-- collar on across
53:49
the galaxy I mean come on now in Empire
53:53
Strikes Back Luke couldn't even levitate
53:55
the x-wing mm-hmm and yet she's doing
53:57
that with like with no effort and in the
53:59
second movie in the beginning of this
54:00
movie again she's left hand those
54:02
boulders like she's an avatar Luke
54:05
couldn't do any of these things when he
54:06
beat Vader she saves kylo Ren physically
54:10
and spiritually again something Luke
54:12
couldn't even do for his own father yeah
54:14
so it's like again what are the
54:16
standards yeah because she is at this
54:17
point the Jedi she's frankly she's kind
54:20
of more powerful than Palpatine at this
54:21
point but at least in terms of them
54:25
demonstratively so what yeah ridiculous
54:28
I was really annoyed by that before this
54:30
this bloodline drama the Jedi trials of
54:34
old weren't about confronting your
54:35
family so this whole thing of like you
54:37
can only become a Jedi when you confront
54:40
your dark family members is it's it's
54:42
really silly now well this is an issue
54:44
with Star Wars in general I said we have
54:45
this whole mythos of the Jedi but they
54:47
don't do a very good job of defining
54:49
that in the film what it actually means
54:51
to be a Jedi because it's very different
54:53
in each trilogy true true again you
54:58
really got to watch the Clone Wars and
54:59
rebels yeah I got to go back to it I've
55:01
watched one season I need to watch this
55:02
so great how do you feel about Rey being
55:05
a Palpatine what for that's how I felt
55:10
yeah like okay that's nice but again
55:12
this is where it's very much like JJ
55:13
Abrams was like no all the time I wanted
55:15
her to be a Palpatine so I don't care
55:17
about what what what's his name Ryan
55:19
Johnson did she's a Papa teen and I'm
55:21
going to make that exactly I'm gonna
55:23
make that happen now um yeah it didn't
55:26
really add much to anything it doesn't
55:27
matter that she's a Papa teen especially
55:29
since at the end she's like I'm Rey
55:30
Skywalker so this is the next strike
55:33
against the feminist narrative because
55:35
despite my issues with the last should
55:36
her not having special parents was not
55:39
one of my problems yeah actually it was
55:41
one of the better things about the movie
55:43
I totally agree like no one acts about
55:45
Yoda or mace or Obi Wan's parents
55:47
they're just great on their own exactly
55:49
the end the last should I present it Rey
55:51
in that way but all that was thrown out
55:54
yeah like she's not strong by herself
55:56
then she couldn't even defeat Palpatine
55:58
by herself she had to have all the other
56:00
Jedi in her to accomplish the task which
56:04
didn't make any sense at all and that
56:06
was one of those points I was like yeah
56:08
okay so what's happening on Facebook
56:09
like I was just really seriously that
56:11
should have been exciting but I was like
56:12
why no totally she she just became a
56:15
vessel exactly and it's kind of you know
56:19
like what's her real arc as a character
56:21
like Rey told Finn on the Falcon I think
56:25
that everyone thinks they know her but
56:27
she's afraid that no one does it feels
56:29
meta for the movie he does because it's
56:31
true they don't bother to give her a
56:33
character character heroes have journeys
56:35
heroes have flaws her entire journey is
56:37
encapsulated by doing fancy things
56:41
progressively fancier things with no
56:43
idea of how she got to know them and her
56:45
fatal flaw is that maybe her family's
56:48
not special that's nothing again just
56:50
like Captain Marvel nothing about her is
56:52
actually about her it's all about other
56:54
people's perceptions of her and other
56:56
people's definitions of her that that
56:59
says some to me that says something very
57:01
disturbing about the way that young
57:03
women are trained to think of ourselves
57:04
if we think that that is feminist yes
57:07
because that's to me isn't feminist at
57:09
all and if also it it's disturbing to me
57:12
because it reinforces exactly what these
57:14
meathead dudes who are like well they
57:16
put women in Star Wars and ruined it
57:18
because now it's feminist you really
57:20
think that women think of ourselves in
57:21
terms of what you think right are you
57:23
kidding me right like it's just there's
57:25
a lot of problems there I'm really
57:27
shocked to hear that it's a feminist
57:28
script this is the stench of armpits
57:29
wafting over this entire argument no
57:31
thank you
57:32
the emperor though I know who I
57:36
like looking like that I said on on
57:38
Twitter that his his tinder name is a
57:41
champagne puppy
57:44
you used to call me on my florist phone
57:48
I'm just saying like they pwned him if
57:51
he cloned himself as a ninety nine
57:53
thousand year old man so he was but you
57:55
know eight hundred and ninety-nine
57:56
thousand years old when they went and he
57:59
was the the senator at the time that's
58:03
not better no you're right right but
58:05
again that's just more hand waving like
58:07
yes yeah I the Emperor had a wife he's a
58:15
Sith and there's that whole rule of two
58:17
thing and the jedis don't have wives of
58:19
procreate and it can notwithstanding so
58:23
shouldn't the emperor not have had i
58:26
don't interest i don't know if the same
58:28
have a rule about about getting busy
58:31
though I I can't I can't call that one
58:33
yeah who knows yeah that that was just
58:35
thinking of it now why you got me
58:37
thinking about this now moving on oh my
58:39
god you know when that force line blinis
58:42
okay anyway I want to go to two x ago
58:46
now and when Ray enters the building
58:49
it's like all these dudes are in the
58:53
stadium it's like can can you imagine
58:55
Palpatine getting his city ternal that's
58:57
their names into the stadium seeds
58:59
trying to surprise already like it's a
59:01
birthday party
59:01
like everybody showed up she's coming
59:03
he's coming make a sound or I'll kill
59:05
you one of them like coughs like I
59:08
needed like chokes them out lightning
59:10
blast him yeah like what's a normal day
59:13
for them and those stadium seats you
59:16
know a bigger question who are they
59:19
so yes so again too much hand waving
59:22
like do we have to read everything
59:24
important about this story in the visual
59:27
dictionary companion book so apparently
59:29
the city eternal are just non
59:32
force-sensitive Goths who believe the
59:35
emperor is like the savior I non
59:39
force-sensitive Goths who believe see
59:42
all of that like why are they there so
59:45
I'm you're not for sensitive but you're
59:46
gonna follow after a guy who is for
59:48
sensitive but also looks like rum raisin
59:51
ice cream and you really have no like
59:54
they had no effect in the story like
59:55
just us just seeing the little people
59:58
working
59:58
on the snoke tanks in the beam the film
60:00
would've been all we needed like we
60:01
literally did not need to see them like
60:05
whatsoever there was literally you could
60:07
take them out it would have affected
60:08
anything I mean I guess you know he did
60:10
he didn't need evil MOOCs of some sort
60:12
but why those guys and why don't we get
60:14
some sort I mean the stormtroopers as
60:17
much as I hate the explanation for them
60:18
they have one these guys are just scared
60:21
of dudes on a planet
60:22
how does Papa teen even get to that
60:24
point like you know how does how do you
60:27
just show up right looking like Ivan
60:29
ooze and demand loyalty and fealty from
60:33
a planet of people who have no idea what
60:34
the forces and get it it may have just
60:37
just brought them from different places
60:38
I mean they missed again just God's like
60:40
well a man that that dude that dudes are
60:42
rad let's go follow him I guess yeah but
60:45
yeah I really hope Marvel takes lessons
60:47
from Star Wars in regards to how they
60:48
merge their media like if they have a
60:51
bunch of hand waving in their face for
60:53
movies like Star Wars like it's gonna be
60:55
whack I'm worried about facts I've got
60:57
so many new properties so many shows and
61:00
then they're just all this new stuff
61:01
happening in the comics and so on and so
61:02
forth and yeah they got to be really
61:04
careful but Marvel has a Kevin Feige
61:07
Star Wars does not I have somebody who
61:10
is kind of in that role but I don't
61:12
think she's doing a very good job okay -
61:13
yeah I think they're they're kind of
61:16
slowly kind of phasing her out I think
61:17
my from what I heard I thought Phi Keys
61:19
gonna become the new dude which I mean
61:22
that could be interesting yeah um really
61:26
quick the Knights of Ren were wasted we
61:30
never got any information but they just
61:31
sort of showed up and looked cool and
61:33
fought a little bit but then what
61:34
everyone was excited about them they
61:37
were on the cover of Esquire and
61:38
everything yeah they were some if not
61:40
all them are former students of Luke
61:42
Skywalker
61:43
mm-hmm they didn't do anything as maybe
61:46
except for look cool they surrounded
61:48
kylo and we don't even know if they had
61:50
the ability to kill him or not mm-hmm
61:52
but they're all force sensitive he had
61:55
no lightsaber like they could have think
61:57
they could have him should have killed
61:58
him right there mm-hmm
61:59
they'd even talk like you're a traitor
62:01
or mm-hmm
62:02
they had nothing like that really could
62:04
have been some emotion there even in
62:06
last Jedi phasma talked to Finn about
62:09
being a traitor even kylo Ren yellow
62:12
at Finn my saber like trade are yeah but
62:15
lights are in didn't even do that to
62:17
their own masters there's no Humanity in
62:20
them at all an animal you've got to give
62:22
you've got to give evil nuances and you
62:24
if you're gonna create ambiguity on one
62:25
side you've got to create it on all yes
62:27
I've got others there must be balance in
62:29
the force
62:29
yeah rate kills Palpatine I guess yeah I
62:35
guess what is it about his death this
62:38
time that makes it permanent because we
62:40
all thought it was definitive last time
62:41
I can't pop it I didn't come back in
62:44
other places mm-hmm can a spirit
62:47
transferred to someone else and if
62:49
Palpatine yeah why don't he just jump
62:52
into kylo Ren like what's-his-name from
62:54
Titans domino domino Deathstroke's have
62:59
you seen Titans no okay never mind
63:02
there's that's all I wanted Jericho
63:03
Jericho that's inner yeah I never mind I
63:05
won't spoil it for you but never mind
63:06
moving on yeah this whole like kind of
63:09
Highlander idea of all the SIF spirits
63:12
going into a new person every time they
63:15
die or something like very much so where
63:18
these rules come from like why did a no
63:20
be one or you ought to talk about this
63:21
to Luke why didn't look even say this to
63:24
to Ray yeah again they leveled it up
63:29
without actually bothering to set that
63:30
up in any meaningful way so it's cool
63:34
but so exactly sidenote what's up with
63:38
Palpatine always getting defeated when
63:40
use uses lightning yeah you'd think he'd
63:42
stop yeah like in return the Sith mace
63:44
turn lighting back on him and he forms
63:46
him mm-hmm
63:47
permanently maybe that's why he can't
63:49
close up better because his DNA is
63:51
literally like this way now mm-hmm this
63:55
is a California raisin for life yeah I
63:57
mean if Anakin hadn't shown up in that
63:59
seemed like he would have been dead
64:00
mm-hmm he gets blindsided by Vader and
64:03
toss into the reactor when he's using
64:04
lightning mm-hmm then in this movie he
64:07
clearly sees that Rey is pushing this
64:08
lighting back on him and he keeps going
64:11
which you would think being Palpatine
64:15
like fisa floored the amazing lightsaber
64:18
duel er etc etc etc if you're gonna
64:21
bring him back and you're gonna give
64:22
everybody else phenomenal cosmic powers
64:26
they didn't really give him anything
64:28
extra no he's just sort of he's doing
64:30
the same old tricks and everybody else
64:31
has gotten way better in comparison if
64:33
you've literally sucked the life force
64:35
out of two of the strongest Jedi that
64:37
we've ever seen hmm and you're giving a
64:40
crazy lightning storm to destroying a
64:42
whole fleet of starships why would you
64:45
just go back to just lightning here like
64:48
she she froze both of them in the air
64:50
and that was even before he got their
64:52
life force things like he could have
64:53
easily just frozen her and just ripped
64:55
her apart exactly been touching her
64:57
exactly but I said he starts shooting
64:59
lightning and then he keeps doing it
65:01
like he'd like he doesn't know how to do
65:03
anything else but it was it was me who's
65:05
probably thinking like oh the
65:07
stadium they want to show - aw it's like
65:11
I promised them I'd shoot the lightning
65:12
all right here we here we go it's the
65:14
Encore oh Oh nah no more hand
65:19
waving land oh just going out into the
65:21
galaxy to find more ships whose ships
65:26
but again he's literally just the
65:28
magical negro of the universe he kind of
65:32
shows up in time with more ships it's
65:33
like exactly I get frustrated you
65:39
haven't watched rebels but for those out
65:42
there who do watch rebels the ghost is a
65:44
part of the resistance just like they
65:46
had that ship in rogue one at this point
65:48
for rogue one it made some sense because
65:51
it was a prequel to these movies we
65:52
don't know what happened to them but if
65:54
the ghost is now in the future that
66:00
doesn't make sense because in rebels
66:02
there are new Jedi
66:04
Ezra is a child force sensitive person
66:08
in the end of that series he becomes a
66:10
Jedi essentially so where was he the
66:13
whole time and the commander of that
66:16
ship is one of the original creators of
66:20
the Rebel Alliance I mean she's pretty
66:23
much what Leia should be right now right
66:25
interesting so the fact that she's not
66:27
even in this and we could even see them
66:30
or hear their voice I was really sorry
66:33
are they treating the shows like they're
66:34
not Canon them know they are canon okay
66:37
which is weird then because the
66:39
think that they would take every
66:40
opportunity to bring this stuff in
66:42
you're told he was interesting okay I
66:44
didn't realize how do you feel about
66:46
real Oh kissing you like I seriously
66:49
hollered no thank you at the screen like
66:51
what was that for there was no setup
66:54
first of all I just in my head I have it
66:58
that they are somehow related I know
66:59
they're not but they're like play
67:00
cousins or something and it's just
67:01
there's yeah I mean yeah if Palpatine
67:04
did create Anakin as he kind of like
67:06
kept creepily looking at Anakin during
67:08
their their talk yeah at the Opera and
67:11
he had it and he had a granddaughter
67:13
like aren't they like cousins in some
67:16
way kind of I just but that besides that
67:20
that just didn't work it why are they
67:26
I'm speechless because that I just
67:28
couldn't understand why they would make
67:29
that choice without any kind of setup I
67:31
mean just because they can force time
67:33
each other blah blah blah he's cruel and
67:36
mean and gas lady and mansplaining to
67:38
her she has no personality whatsoever
67:41
this is like literally a match made in
67:43
hell why would they do this
67:46
I guess if she's this empty vessel for
67:47
everybody to tell her I guess it's just
67:49
she can just do whatever yeah yeah
67:51
that's a very good point but I was not
67:54
impressed
67:55
personally what did you think I was I
67:58
didn't hate it I didn't really like it
68:00
either
68:01
for you like Mikey I was just kind of
68:02
very neutral and it's like like yeah
68:04
whatever came out of nowhere I was
68:06
reading though and again I hate that I
68:08
have to read things to to kind of
68:10
understand I understand but the whole
68:13
notion of force healing so when you heal
68:15
someone you're putting part of your life
68:16
force into them and they both kind of
68:19
exchanged life in as I'm supposed to be
68:21
forcing again again they never explained
68:25
it in the movie like bizarre there was
68:27
there's a theory that because Rey puts
68:29
some of her life energy into kylo when
68:31
she killed him it changed his kind of
68:34
spirit and made him a better person but
68:36
again not explained that's we can only
68:39
just kind of guess but it's not even a
68:41
good guess no it's stupid you know
68:42
what's funny what you just said you hate
68:43
that you have to read stuff to to get
68:45
into this it's funny again that's not a
68:48
sign of that that's a sign of poor
68:51
writing yeah because if you look at the
68:52
Watchmen for example
68:53
where you kind of do have to read PDP
68:56
dia to get some of the finer details of
68:57
the show but you don't mind reading it
68:59
do you and it's not that important yeah
69:02
like we tried to learn who ky man was
69:04
but I'm honestly like if they didn't
69:06
talk about it he's not gonna the rest
69:07
destroy the story exactly the rest of it
69:09
hang hung together so well you could
69:10
just get into it even if you didn't read
69:12
this one it doesn't make sense and then
69:14
you read it and it makes even less sense
69:15
and that's annoying
69:19
yeah Rome was kind of wind down here I
69:23
want to talk about what I find was a
69:26
misstep in his trilogy I mean there's a
69:28
lot right just another one that I don't
69:32
think he was talked about is I think
69:34
they should have shown more diversity in
69:36
force powers and use and end users again
69:40
if we have Finn and possibly Jana and
69:44
her crew with force sensitive powers I
69:47
would I would have liked to have seen
69:48
different affinities maybe like so in
69:50
the expanded universe people like Jason
69:53
and Sola could talk to animals
69:54
but he wasn't as strong in battle
69:56
against someone like Luke looks like
69:58
stronger fighter Jana had an affinity
70:00
for machines some could heal something
70:03
to do things not everybody was a fighter
70:05
and not everybody needed to be exactly
70:07
so if you've got a whole community of
70:08
force user suddenly you're right they
70:10
needed to show that there's yeah that
70:12
there's more to the force than just
70:13
being a wizard night and sure like if
70:17
Rey was good at healing then kind of
70:22
built that up maybe but the fact that
70:24
she just showed up on Posada and just
70:25
touched the snake and healed him just
70:27
for reasons you're like what like we can
70:29
do this now yeah exactly
70:31
definitely I know and it doesn't
70:32
surprise anybody write more nobody's
70:35
like wow you healed them they're just
70:36
like yeah the force and they keep going
70:37
yeah like like that could have been
70:39
useful when Finn got his back chopped up
70:41
in the first movie right yeah anyway
70:46
words are we gonna talk about Rose Tico
70:49
yes before I get there I want to cuz I
70:52
do want to get to how the PLC's were
70:54
wasted in this franchise but I went
70:56
about Janna
70:57
the end of the movie has Lando talking
70:59
to Janna and she didn't know who she was
71:01
and Lando so through our listeners know
71:06
who she is again
71:07
from the visual dictionary Lando after
71:12
the return the Jedi wanted to start a
71:13
family we don't know who the wife is but
71:16
apparently they had a daughter and at
71:18
the age of two she was kidnapped and the
71:21
way that the timelines line up Jana
71:25
could possibly be his long-lost daughter
71:27
okay hold on wait a minute so your
71:30
daughter gets kidnapped when you - and
71:32
you still like Colt 45 and around the
71:33
galaxy like all right all right hey like
71:36
really that should change a person but
71:37
they don't instead of see now Star Wars
71:44
is not the deepest property out there
71:45
no right you the most of the characters
71:47
don't have particularly well-developed
71:49
sense of inferiority but you can't
71:53
introduce that level of trauma and not
71:56
do something with it yeah it's in a book
71:58
it's just and I even like his his own
72:02
like novel it's just a blurb in a in a
72:05
little visual dictionary it's it's so
72:08
stupid and the fact that he like has
72:10
this well let's find out who you are
72:12
it's like Donald Trump talking to Ivanka
72:15
yeah yeah very much so because you know
72:18
again without reading you have no idea
72:20
what the relationship between them might
72:22
be and it just comes across as creepy
72:24
yeah and she's given him better my eyes
72:26
too like yeah let's find out yeah it's
72:28
really not it's a very awkward scene
72:31
without it I hated that scene yeah that
72:34
gets one of the last scenes of the film
72:35
that's what sticks with you leave just
72:37
like wow why did you do that like do
72:40
another take yes because that came it
72:43
just came across as awkward Rose Tico
72:48
yeah telling retrain like I pour one out
72:50
for her man like yeah cuz you know she
72:52
left Twitter and everything else for no
72:54
reason no reason bro according to slate
72:58
roaster you had one minute and 16
73:01
seconds of screen time I kept looking to
73:05
see if she was gonna I kept expecting
73:07
her to be in more things and she
73:10
literally there was just her face twice
73:11
can you imagine the look on her face at
73:14
the screening like in front of her
73:16
friends and family she probably brought
73:18
with her can you imagine I mean I'm
73:20
surprised she didn't
73:21
he'll at the first reading the table
73:24
reading for the script although I could
73:26
see where she wouldn't want to because
73:27
she's in Star Wars you can't really
73:29
complain too much about a property like
73:31
that but yeah well apparently she filmed
73:34
a scene with ray like like she got more
73:37
stuff but does he cut it off so and
73:40
maybe she didn't know until she got
73:41
there like I don't I don't know the
73:42
story and the way that Disney does these
73:45
these press junkets I mean Jada Abrams
73:48
was talking about oh yeah
73:49
me and Ron Johnson or cool man like we
73:51
talked and we tried to like merge story
73:53
together and like that's obviously a lie
73:55
yeah if they did they did a really bad
73:57
job it's a lie it's obviously a lie and
73:59
you know I I haven't really seen the
74:01
preciousness for kilmury trance for this
74:03
but I don't think she's been in very
74:05
many which is telling right but yeah I
74:08
mean but to be fair even with this
74:11
they're not really doing a lot of press
74:13
for this movie I don't think I feel like
74:15
they don't have to and I think that a
74:16
lot of the other a lot of the actors in
74:18
this movie have other stuff coming out
74:20
around the same time so I've seen I've
74:22
seen Adam driver talking a lot about a
74:24
marriage story mm-hmm and very little
74:26
about Star Wars I kind of feel like the
74:27
actors know that this isn't kind of it I
74:29
think they're all kind of they're
74:31
excited to be in Star Wars but they're
74:32
not interested in engaging with the
74:34
press machine yeah I wouldn't either I
74:37
mean the thing again Star Wars is the
74:40
best and worst thing about the nerd
74:41
universe no matter people are always
74:43
gonna have something to say and very
74:44
little of it will be flattering I mean I
74:46
just at the beginning of this I said the
74:48
movie is fine and then I've just spent
74:49
the last hour ripping it to pieces so
74:50
you know but it's not the actress fault
74:53
I will say that no hmm I think she's
74:55
great
74:56
hmm um I wrote in the article that I
74:58
think she gave one of if not the best
75:00
line of the last Jedi she was like
75:02
that's how we're gonna win not by
75:04
fighting what we hate but saving will be
75:06
love right unfortunately well her whole
75:10
plotline was poorly put together did you
75:15
know that in this film she was promoted
75:17
to being the leader of the engineering
75:20
corpse of the resistance I mean I
75:22
figured there was a reason she was
75:23
standing in the room with all the
75:24
important people but good for them for
75:26
not explaining that at all jeez yeah I
75:29
mean like they literally went out of
75:32
their way to make thin and poe generals
75:34
now
75:35
but they couldn't even yeah cuz they
75:38
brought back the Pete and Jung go as a
75:39
cricket frog I mean yeah I mean they
75:43
really did it was like they Jedi hand
75:45
wave like see we brought them back
75:47
this is diversity not really I mean Rose
75:51
did tell them that to destroy the start
75:53
of Shor's they have to shoot the cannons
75:55
but again they'd even they could even
75:56
give her a title or nothing like they
76:00
went to that planet to hack 3p oh but if
76:02
she's the engineering yeah they didn't
76:04
ask her yeah yes I'm just like she could
76:07
have had more to do you literally went
76:09
out of your way to like light-years away
76:12
from her to set up like four new
76:15
characters yeah who were interesting and
76:17
probably should have been introduced
76:19
away earlier but yeah I mean the whole
76:21
like poll used to be a scoundrel was
76:24
like well I mean I actually found that
76:27
kind of interesting I kind of liked that
76:29
there was a whole bit where everybody
76:30
was like you were a spice right I know
76:31
you were a storm trooper like leave me
76:33
alone
76:33
and that kind of set up the character
76:35
cuz I feel like Poe is get so much love
76:37
within this new trilogy but he's not
76:40
they'd haven't really done much with his
76:41
character he's just kind of a guy who's
76:43
there who's really rude and
76:45
disrespectful to everybody so the fact
76:47
that they tried to give him a little bit
76:49
more I actually like that I just thought
76:51
I always saw Poe as a emerging of wedge
76:57
antilles
76:57
or wedge wedge antilles yeah wedge
77:00
antilles
77:01
and Han and that like western Emma story
77:03
he's just always been a great pilot and
77:06
you know Hans just has a smart mouth and
77:08
so just having Poe just be a great pilot
77:12
like to me that was fine and like if
77:15
they would have introduced that earlier
77:17
hmm I would have cared if activate is
77:20
kind of just again went out of their way
77:21
away from other style like other carries
77:24
that we could have learned more about in
77:25
and and got deeper into you just set up
77:29
new people for no reason I that right I
77:32
liked the new people I just wish they'd
77:34
been brought in earlier but again it was
77:35
JJ Abrams saying yeah like basic yes
77:40
apparently because I think he probably
77:42
if he had done the second movie he would
77:44
have brought them in earlier but he
77:45
didn't so he was just trying to cram
77:47
everything else he wanted to do into
77:48
this movie
77:49
sure which didn't what didn't work I
77:51
mean it was I mean it was fine but yeah
77:53
yeah yeah point out for Rose man yeah I
77:57
feel really sorry for her there they
77:59
really should have if they're gonna be
78:00
considering the amount of abuse she's
78:02
taken speaking of a feminist narrative
78:04
considering the amount of abuse she's
78:06
taken both for race racial issues and
78:08
also because she's a woman who has the
78:11
nerve to be in Star Wars that they
78:15
really paid her dust in this movie
78:16
because that actress deserved a much
78:18
better storyline if she's gonna have to
78:20
because she's gonna have to put up with
78:21
more of this crap and now she's gonna
78:23
have to put up with see it's that
78:25
important you were there after all
78:26
because she's only in a minute of this
78:27
movie
78:28
that's my troll a troll on Twitter is he
78:30
he's literally clicking the Rose Tico
78:32
hashtags on every tweet and trying to
78:35
like ruffle feathers
78:37
that's gross it's sad Mike and I told
78:39
him like I'm not doing this with you
78:40
that's really gross
78:45
the lead actor for Aladdin I don't know
78:47
his name but apparently he has not
78:49
gotten any offers after the film's
78:51
release which I yeah really yeah and I
78:56
feel bad about that and I really hope
78:57
that kilmury train doesn't suffer the
78:59
same fate yeah I don't know what all
79:01
she's in I think she's I don't know yeah
79:04
hmm
79:04
this is the problem is that we don't
79:06
have the gift of mediocrity in the same
79:08
way that other people do we can't make a
79:10
Justice League and be awful in it and
79:11
then still get the medium spread of
79:14
Vogue like what's his name Ezra Miller
79:16
whoever you know or write that garbage
79:18
yeah and get a chance to write Star Wars
79:20
exactly I mean it's not fair at all and
79:24
as much as I am in the make-your-own
79:25
camp of sci-fi and speculative fiction
79:29
cultural properties like I'm not
79:31
impressed that The Witcher has black
79:32
characters that's still some really
79:33
white but I think that in this
79:37
situation it's just it just goes to show
79:39
that there's still so much inequity in
79:40
Hollywood totally not and I think that
79:44
often the prevalent narratives about it
79:46
are not necessarily the truest ones to
79:48
be fair even the ones that I that are
79:50
that sound like they're on the side of
79:52
right completely ignore the real issues
79:54
in in the industry
79:56
Star Wars is very much a white male
80:00
liberal movie
80:03
the characterization of these POCs and
80:05
even women I think we're very much seen
80:07
through a white male liberal lens yeah I
80:10
mean but again it's these these guys who
80:13
are very much or on the side of right
80:14
and they're doing all the right things
80:15
but because there's such a lack of depth
80:18
and understanding and understanding that
80:21
people besides you have in Terry already
80:23
I mean look at the Watchmen the
80:25
brilliant thing about the Watchmen is
80:26
that all of the characters regardless of
80:28
their background had a sense of
80:29
character or a sense of humanity a sense
80:31
of depth Star Wars again is not
80:33
necessarily a deep property but if
80:35
you're going to make these choices to
80:37
include people of color to include
80:40
people who are not the typical fantasy
80:43
hero you've got to do it in a way that
80:47
is not shallow totally because I mean
80:52
look at we were all really happy to see
80:53
Han back because he's not a shallow
80:55
character I totally agree yeah I don't
80:57
know I think there's a lot going on with
80:59
that I'm trying to find what else Kelly
81:01
Marie Tran has been in because I'm sure
81:02
she's been in something else before the
81:05
last Jedi she had nothing yeah yeah she
81:07
was she was brand-new which I was really
81:09
she was quit acting in so she got this
81:11
which she still might
81:14
yes I'm saying yeah yeah after all this
81:16
abuse like she was in something called
81:21
sorry for your loss with the lady who
81:23
played Scarlet Witch in 2018 okay she's
81:26
done some Star Wars voices cool she was
81:29
in the Croods too huh I don't know what
81:32
that is it doesn't look good
81:33
the posters like cavemen I don't have
81:35
kids so I'm not sure if I wouldn't know
81:37
what that is yeah she's been in a couple
81:40
of things but ya know we all the Croods
81:42
2 comes out next year but there's not a
81:46
lot on her and everything else is very
81:48
much like like her credits or things
81:51
like boba chick butterfly raise grief
81:53
girl things like that I really yeah
81:56
that's a shame I would love to see her
81:59
and Jana getting like a women of color
82:04
TV show hmm like even sub miniseries
82:08
mm-hmm because in the novel's this is in
82:11
the article I wrote but in the novel's
82:13
mm-hmm
82:14
Rose and her sister pay
82:16
the one who died in last Jedi they
82:19
actually help create or they I think
82:21
themselves developed stealth technology
82:24
for for bombers hmm and hold old lady
82:27
who life speeded through smoke ship
82:29
mm-hmm brought them into the resistance
82:31
mm-hmm and you would have gotten that
82:33
from her to standing by an escape pod
82:34
xanthine brothers so yeah it's not
82:37
really fair that all of the most
82:38
exciting parts of those characters
82:40
stories take place outside of the movies
82:41
I feel like they should have those
82:44
movies didn't have enough direction to
82:45
really give you the good stuff yeah so I
82:47
hope they can to like kind of help
82:50
rectify this I would love to get kind of
82:52
a Mandalorian quality of production for
82:55
these for these ladies too no team up
82:57
and do something cool mmm cuz Gianna had
83:00
a lot going of going on for herself too
83:01
she was obviously brave and mm-hmm again
83:04
she she and her company committed mutiny
83:06
and she became the leader of those
83:07
people right and that's just an
83:09
interesting story in and of itself yeah
83:11
just the little bit I was like ooh tell
83:13
me more about that and that didn't
83:14
happen she's she's familiar with bombs a
83:17
detonation that means she has that kind
83:18
of skills she's a marksman she shot
83:20
things at the sky with a bow and arrow
83:22
and in the movie I mean she has a lot of
83:25
skills and I would love to see more of
83:27
her yeah she was way more interesting
83:30
than some of the other characters
83:31
absolutely but hey Luke came back he
83:34
didn't need to yeah and again that was
83:37
another like F you did right Johnson
83:38
like totally don't feel my lights every
83:41
way yeah exactly
83:42
mm-hmm yeah let's do everything else esé
83:47
not really I mean I
83:50
returning to my original thesis it was
83:52
fine mmm it wasn't amazing it was just a
83:55
movie I mean if I saw it without any
83:57
context at all I'd be like okay this is
83:59
interesting but I think because Star
84:02
Wars is built up so big it's hard to
84:05
look at it neutrally I didn't think it
84:07
was terrible but I don't think it was
84:09
good either it was more watchable than
84:12
last Jedi the story was better put
84:17
together but clearly they were trying to
84:19
tell a story that was never intended to
84:21
be told so I don't know it's not my
84:26
favorite
84:28
yeah I have more to say but a lot of it
84:34
is about the use of POCs and it's in the
84:37
articles so check that out on the
84:39
Facebook page I'll put a link under
84:40
there folks when I have a look at that
84:42
and let's cut to you want to do a
84:46
ranking or your net at all well here
84:48
I'll work with you on your ranking cuz I
84:50
want to see what you have to say okay
84:51
yeah that's fair number eleven attack of
84:54
the clones that's for number 11 that's
84:56
my like least favorite really I really
84:59
can't even after seeing this one I
85:01
really can't remember anything from taco
85:02
clones outside of Mesa cutting out
85:04
cutting off Django's head and the final
85:06
fight with you bouncing around I can't
85:08
remember a thing else from the movie
85:09
like literally I can't Wow okay oh he
85:12
anakin whining about so III killed the
85:15
women and the children this will be one
85:17
he's always holding me back okay now
85:19
that as an actor who's disappeared and
85:20
he deserved to that was just wow such a
85:24
bad performance anyway I don't know if
85:26
it was the writing or him but wow yeah
85:28
so again that whiny Anakin part alone
85:31
was just like yeah this is no mm-hmm
85:34
number 10 is Raisa Skywalker for me okay
85:36
number nine The Phantom Menace yeah
85:41
again the only part that the movie I
85:42
remember is the final fight with qui-gon
85:44
obi-wan and Darth Maul I remember that I
85:47
remember in pod racing being really
85:49
disappointed yeah pod racing was
85:50
disappointing for me I just remember
85:53
thinking though it was well yeah but I
85:55
remember thinking it was just really
85:56
they took it to a place that was
85:58
unnecessarily juvenile life maybe yeah
86:01
Jar Jar yeah yeah just and just that was
86:04
where we got the idea of midi-chlorians
86:05
and when they retrofitted the Jedi to
86:08
make him kind of lame
86:09
you know like space jehovah's witnesses
86:12
it wasn't cool i'm a switch phantom
86:16
medicine right let's guy walking in
86:17
hindsight alright yeah it's alright
86:21
skywalker is my number nine no offense
86:23
to jehovah's witnesses it's just that
86:24
you know the Jedi were like knocking on
86:26
people's doors like do you believe in
86:27
the power of the force I mean yeah it
86:28
was weird
86:29
number eight mmm-hmm would be a range of
86:33
the Sith okay that's interesting okay
86:38
why so low I thought it was the best of
86:41
the prequels
86:42
it is so that's why it's above the other
86:44
the prequel yeah okay but my whole thing
86:46
is I really liked the final fight with
86:52
obi-wan and Anakin there are some bits
86:54
of the choreography in that film that
86:56
felt a bit over the top and unpractical
86:59
like there's a member the part where
87:01
obi-wan and Anakin are literally like
87:04
kind of nunchuck in their lightsabers
87:06
around each other for like two seconds
87:08
before me clash again it's like yeah why
87:10
is this why are you showing off really
87:12
in like this board yeah of all the
87:15
fights in the trilogy that had the most
87:17
emotional weight and it was really cool
87:19
in some parts but part the parts is
87:21
uneven miss against the Emperor was
87:22
pretty cool but the way that Palpatine
87:24
just dispatched a lot of the Jedi
87:26
Masters he wrote it with him in like one
87:29
strike like hit fist oh he's in the
87:31
Clone Wars he's voiced by Phil Lamarr
87:33
actually and the way that that kind of
87:37
happened was kind of weird to me
87:38
Anakin just being whiny mmm the senator
87:41
is evil well it from my point of view
87:43
the Jedi are evil I mean just terrible
87:46
lines yeah was the dialogue in all three
87:49
of the prequels ridiculously bad and
87:51
soullow just edges edges it out to me
87:53
mmm interesting okay fair enough
87:56
I think Solo was kind of needless but if
87:59
you take it away from the hype in the
88:03
end kind of the bad energy that the last
88:05
should I kind of yeah this eve yeah it
88:08
was pretty good I like Solo better than
88:10
I have any of the other new movies
88:13
frankly yeah yeah I felt like it was
88:17
more authentic to the tone but I don't
88:19
think it was a story we needed and it
88:20
wasn't ultimately it didn't add anything
88:22
to the character of Han Solo at all but
88:24
and enjoyable that reason I think lasted
88:28
I again just edges that out interesting
88:31
because even though I had problems with
88:32
the last Jedi I liked I was curious
88:35
about what it was gonna send him because
88:36
if you're gonna toss out bloodline at
88:38
that point and if you're gonna start
88:40
having other people like those kids mmm
88:43
be inspired again I put an article but I
88:45
was very upset that the children that
88:47
rose inspired with her hair ISM mm-hmm
88:49
we never see their fate right yeah and I
88:51
thought was wack I kind of thought
88:52
before the new trailer came out for a
88:55
Skye
88:55
I thought that maybe she would be maybe
88:58
teaching those kids like Luke started to
89:01
teach his students and maybe I thought I
89:03
told you before I thought there's gonna
89:04
be kind of a raise
89:05
mmm people against kylo and the Knights
89:08
of Ren yeah really cool yeah would have
89:13
been definitely I have to be honest I
89:15
would put that movie so much lower than
89:16
you because I hated it the plotting was
89:18
so bad and it made me angry like it was
89:20
I saw what it was trying to do but it
89:22
just did it so badly and it just did me
89:26
there was one scene in that movie that I
89:28
liked and that was when Rey and kylo
89:30
decide to like go crazy on the guards
89:34
and do their own thing and I'm like okay
89:35
this could be interesting
89:37
why are we doing why are we still paying
89:39
attention to the force however many
89:41
years later it hasn't been anybody any
89:42
good let's do something different and
89:44
then it's a fight and that's it and
89:45
there's nothing else new and that's kind
89:47
of thing I I think all the films from
89:50
last should I below all try to do
89:52
something he didn't do it well and I
89:54
think that of all them last should I was
89:57
the most was the most daring and and
90:01
even though I didn't like it
90:02
watching Raisa Skywalker it kind of made
90:06
me retro actively respect the choices
90:08
more and kind of gave me more
90:09
imagination of where things could go and
90:11
so I gave it respect I man level it's
90:13
not it's number six it's not like it's
90:15
the best okay five the force awakens
90:24
yeah I had such high hopes I did and
90:28
when I first watched it I was like like
90:32
the opening week I would like stop the
90:34
laser blast you're like Jesus Christ
90:36
yeah what are we about to get into yeah
90:38
yeah and then it just it was a new hope
90:42
only bigger and kind of different yeah
90:45
but not all that different before we go
90:48
on I want to go back to last should i
90:49
well my favorite scenes was the opening
90:51
with Poe and how he like f with hawks
90:54
like he like make that made the call to
90:56
Huck's and he's like oh yeah looks like
90:58
talking this you're there will be
91:00
no no sir no negotiation joy he's like
91:03
Hello I completely forgot about that
91:05
part and the scene where he is
91:09
there's a scene where he goes around
91:12
these two starfighters these two tie
91:14
fighters in and blasts them was such a
91:16
cool scene it just it really showed why
91:18
he was the best pilot in the galaxy Wow
91:21
okay that scene was really really cool
91:22
to see I don't remember any of that I I
91:24
would recommend like it's like it's on
91:26
Netflix now no it's not I think well
91:30
it's off now it's on what VPN you right
91:33
but yes so if you can yeah that scene
91:35
was really cool okay
91:36
see how force we can see I was fine it
91:39
has problems really again the fact that
91:41
you know rate because Oh was really
91:43
weird to me but overall it was a cool
91:46
step when it was over with I was like
91:48
okay let's see where it goes
91:50
yeah and then what I said I was kind of
91:52
like oh yeah I mean let's see I mean I
91:54
kind of want to see where this goes but
91:56
yeah I was like I was really maybe
91:59
that's why I'm not as as did she are
92:01
like about this final film as as you
92:03
were because the the thing that the last
92:05
one I did for me was just pull my
92:08
expectations down to rock bottom no mine
92:10
where to don't get me wrong but they
92:12
still mm-hmm
92:13
it was like that Malcolm in the Middle
92:15
with the do we he was like I expected
92:20
nothing but I'm still disappointed yeah
92:24
it's been dark I got you yes film right
92:27
yeah where you expect nothing but there
92:29
was one good scene in that whole film it
92:31
was a reshoot so yeah oh my homey
92:33
um John Carlos Evans he's part of black
92:36
nerd problems he was running out there
92:37
was like a Dark Phoenix seemed rude you
92:38
know
92:39
kyla and Ray are like doing that whole
92:42
kind of yelling and pulling up their
92:44
hands oh yeah transport mm-hmm
92:47
and before return the Jedi mm-hmm number
92:50
three a new hope and number two number
92:53
three I think rogue one is better
92:57
mmm I think a new hope is a classic
93:00
mm-hmm but I think it starts out really
93:03
slow like I remember when I first
93:05
watched it when I Richard it from
93:07
Hollywood video when I was 11 and I fell
93:10
asleep I think two or three times
93:12
mmm before I actually sat down and
93:14
watched the whole thing I did you live
93:17
though because this is something I've
93:18
often wondered about myself you will
93:20
lived oh you were in st. Louis time
93:21
right okay
93:21
so when I first saw it we had lived in
93:24
Arizona for a minute so it was something
93:26
kind of cool to me but I think it's just
93:28
a personal thing but I think it was
93:29
something cool to me about seeing all
93:30
that desert as like a fantasy setting
93:32
mm-hmm yeah I don't know something yeah
93:35
I don't know it really I don't know
93:36
a new hope would be maybe tied with
93:39
rogue one for me or maybe slightly over
93:41
it
93:41
I mean yeah I mean it isn't like New
93:44
Hope is again December 3 it's not God
93:45
it's not bad it mighty means it's very
93:47
good yeah it's good but yeah I think it
93:50
doesn't really pick up until I think a
93:53
new hope and rug one complement each
93:55
other perfectly which i think is really
93:56
difficult to do because but I think you
93:58
have to have seen a new hope to
93:59
understand just how wild that final seam
94:02
of Darth Vader at the end actually it is
94:04
what ham yo cuz you know he's scary in
94:07
the beginning of a new hope but you're
94:09
like okay but then you don't really see
94:11
him do anything too terrible that he
94:12
kind of forced chokes a guy I maybe was
94:14
tired I mean he just killed everybody I
94:17
mean yeah so you know you don't really
94:19
see them do anything too wild but then
94:21
you know that the mucosa Vader is built
94:23
up through the whole rest of that
94:25
trilogy and then you see rogue one and
94:26
you're like aha
94:27
now that's how you retrofit something
94:29
and make it make sense yes so because of
94:32
all that all that where the rogue one
94:34
had to do I mean it was a movie that did
94:36
even I mean if you don't count Vader it
94:38
wasn't reliant on the force I mean of
94:40
course you know it was great
94:44
I'm so sad we had to wait 30 years to
94:46
get Donnie yet you know in a Star Wars
94:48
movie he should have been in the first
94:49
well was he around yeah he was he should
94:51
have been in the first one so yeah so
94:53
what was number two and I think almost
94:55
everyone well universities say that
94:57
Empire Strikes Back
94:58
it totally is it's the only one that I
95:01
regularly rewatch it really holds that I
95:03
will say this also about rogue one is
95:05
that I so I'm not I'll maybe watch one
95:09
trailer or two trailers but I was so
95:11
disappointed in the way that the Star
95:13
Wars films were going and I was really
95:15
annoyed at what I perceived to be a
95:17
Disney moneygrab by making like extra
95:19
Star Wars story movies but I didn't know
95:21
anything about rogue one when I went to
95:23
see it and that's part of why I liked it
95:24
so much is that it it surprised me I
95:26
didn't know what it was I didn't realize
95:27
I already knew what the story was until
95:30
I was about thirty minutes into the
95:31
movie and I was like oh
95:33
oh this is that and when you see it
95:35
fresh like that it's a really good film
95:37
yeah so that's part of why I liked it so
95:40
much also yeah totally and I think
95:43
that's what these new Star Wars films
95:44
are missing the hype machines so big
95:46
around Star Wars that even if you try to
95:48
go into it without knowing anything you
95:49
want to be fresh you want to really see
95:51
a new story it's hard to do that and
95:53
with force awakens I mean that was one
95:56
that's that was one of the big events
95:59
where I was like I can't watch her was
96:00
anymore mm-hmm because you try to sell
96:03
me on this brother as being a Jedi you
96:05
put in you put in the poster even I cape
96:07
and avoid that mhm and you lied to me so
96:09
and then you have this hype machine now
96:12
of JJ Abrams oh yeah me and Ryan justify
96:14
it are totally fine I totally you know
96:16
we sync the movie everything's great
96:17
that's all these lies around this
96:19
product I just I don't like the
96:22
marketing machine anymore yeah I don't
96:24
want yeah because and because it's not
96:26
focused on any of the things that are
96:27
actually good about the property as well
96:29
so like more even in it yeah right
96:31
exactly
96:32
mm-hm totally anything else no yeah I
96:38
your list is interesting thank you I
96:42
hope you watch Clone Wars before we talk
96:45
again I'll go back I mean I saw the
96:47
first season ages ago I watched it with
96:49
with some kids I know well that sounds
96:52
creepy in retrospect that's not meant to
96:53
be creepy I was babysitting I was big I
96:55
was babysitting okay I wasn't just like
96:57
come here little boy I have Star Wars
96:59
not like that make anyone was gonna take
97:02
it there but good yeah but just in case
97:04
um but yeah so I saw the first season
97:08
but I haven't watched any more of it I
97:09
probably should get back into it cuz it
97:11
does sound really good and I remember
97:13
watching it was really good if I seems
97:15
brah it's just been incredible like time
97:18
man there's like eighty two seasons of
97:19
extra Star Wars stuff and there's books
97:21
and there's other ones there's there's
97:23
so much stuff out there now there's so
97:25
much good I mean the fantasy world I
97:27
love that fantasy is popular again but
97:29
it's there's so much stuff to get into
97:31
and so much stuff I'm waiting for that
97:33
is yeah well keep mine then the last
97:36
season of Clone Wars comes out next year
97:38
and we're probably that's to talk about
97:40
you caught up yeah definitely yeah but
97:42
in the meantime I you know watching The
97:44
Witcher I am I when I watched last
97:49
should I had to cleanse my palate and I
97:51
just rewatch Clone Wars rebels again oh
97:52
I feel like I'm probably gonna do the
97:54
same with this movie cool ok The Witcher
97:57
huh I like it yeah yeah I don't care
98:00
that there's inclusion of pocs or
98:02
whatever it's still severely white but
98:04
it's a good story it's just fantasy
98:05
meathead stuff it's run it's not people
98:08
are comparing it to Game of Thrones
98:09
which isn't fair because first of all
98:11
Game of Thrones was an even game of
98:12
Thrones by the end and second it's just
98:17
not the same story it's a lot more basic
98:19
Game of Thrones was trying to be a
98:21
subversion reversion reboot of so many
98:23
fantasy tropes whereas The Witcher is
98:25
basically like okay here's a guy who
98:27
does magic things he goes and fights
98:29
magic things and at the end he gets the
98:32
girl kind of the end right like it's
98:34
just it's not that deep okay it's just
98:37
fun mmm well anyway people out there we
98:43
have gone over way over to ever time let
98:46
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98:49
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98:52
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98:54
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99:28
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99:30
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99:32
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99:34
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99:35
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