BlerdUp Terminator Dark Fate Review

Terminator Dark Fate Review – The Best Since T2: BlerdUp Episode 37


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Mel yes who is wondering why you are
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shattering the introduction today do I
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always know oh I'm tired how it happens
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have a hereditary stutter oh so I have
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to speak slower maybe some people are
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like why does he speak so slow hmm cuz
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you're like silk you're just flowing and
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I'm just like this all the time which is
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fine yeah it's just you had some strange
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pauses you were kind of William Shatner
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in us oh I'm not sleeping well and today
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was Halloween at my school oh I ran me
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ragged yeah actually I realized we're
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terrible blurts we're both sitting here
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on Halloween without a costume between
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us as black people don't be wearing
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masks all the time alright Frantz Fanon
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move on alright let's get started today
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is a big show we're going to talk about
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the newest Terminator film dark fate
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will have a non spoiler discussion and a
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spoiler discussion we're also going to
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talk about the latest episode of
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Watchmen and afterwards
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we'll try to get to the first half of
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the last season of Bojack horseman
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mmm-hmm let's start with terminator dark
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fate or they like to call it terminator
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diversity higher which is the sixth
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movie in the franchise not only is James
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Cameron back as producer but he actually
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has
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writing credits on this along with four
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other people charles age eglee he's a TV
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show writer for shows like The Walking
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Dead
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Dark Angel from when I was back in high
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school
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Dexter and the shield most importantly
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Josh Friedman who was behind the Sarah
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Connor Chronicles I never saw that show
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but a lot of people anyone who watched
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his said it was really good have you
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seen I have not nope for me nothing but
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the first two Terminator movies exist
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nothing else and is important I mean
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I've seen the other movies but yeah they
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didn't make me hopeful they didn't make
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me hopeful at all for the Sarah Connor
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Chronicles so I never looked at it yeah
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I actually now that I've heard so many
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good things about it I do want to go
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back and watch it now hmm there's Justin
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Rhodes Hill also wrote some TV shows
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mm-hm and lastly David Goyer who's been
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in nerd writing game for decades is also
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attached to this what is written I don't
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know blade to blade surely he wrote
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Batman Begins I want to say he did the
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Dark Knight as well possibly even Rises
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as well he was attached to that and he
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did that maybe Superman he's done a
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number of DC properties and some other
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things I think he they he co-wrote or
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wrote dark man or he's been around for
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okay so he's been doing a lot of stuff
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interesting he's had been ridden stuff
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for video games I think he did a call
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duty year mmm it's like that I'm not
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sure have to look that up mm-hmm anyway
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this movie also brings back Linda
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Hamilton Arnold I'm kind of liberal but
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I'm Sylvester Republican who killed
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Tookie swears negar and even Eddie
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furlong is back kind of yeah you know
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with all this talent involved and
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returning is this movie a return to form
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reigniting the franchise or is this the
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end can I be both well let's talk about
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it all right I want to start off with
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Linda Hamilton because that's how the
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movie starts off right they reuse
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footage from Terminator 2 well
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actually not it's like it's not that
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that scene wasn't in Terminator 2 it was
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like footage that was filmed for
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Terminator 2 and never use yes then they
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CG did it up to make it different
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although well I heard a variety of
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things maybe you know more about it than
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I do
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but anyway well about the open scene
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last year but they definitely have circa
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t2 Sarah Connor talking about Judgment
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Day and coming back she's still very
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badass as Sarah Connor gritty but she
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certainly has more wit than she did in
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the past
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yeah she's certainly little life that
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made her develop it yeah she's paranoid
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still but she's become accustomed to
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this life on the run right and hunting
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right I kind of like that Sarah Connor
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has gotten to evolve as a character yeah
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and I like that she's unapologetically
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old and cranky yeah you know just yeah
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she's she's been Sarah Connor for 60
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years and she's sick of it yeah
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in t2 she was struggling to learn how to
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be a mom again and in this film she's
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become more of a grizzly but like a
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mentor figure mhm
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she reminds me of Jamie Lee Curtis in
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the in the latest Halloween film have
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you seen her never seen it no yeah you
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know they're kind of trying to reignite
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these eighties franchises with these
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these ladies or men and I think they're
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kind of Ark is a little similar
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okay I mean Jamie Lee was a little more
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off the reservation she wasn't really
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that funny or witty she was just
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paranoid and crazy but they both kind of
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have a similar vibe to them okay let's
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talk about the new characters hmm
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because overall this is a pretty tight
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cast surrounding only a few people very
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true let's start with grace played by
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Mackenzie Davis mm-hmm do you know yeah
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what is the what's the name of that that
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the black mirror episode that everybody
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loves not El Camino that's the breaking
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bad movie Santorini sandy eternal yeah
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Sanjana Sanjana Parros what am I saying
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yeah she's some she's from Sandra de
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perro she's one of those she's one of
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the people in the couple she's the white
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lady basically in the couple in Sanjana
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pero
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really yeah I know that's what I said
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- but that is her did I look that up I
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the way that I remember her she was the
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replicant sex worker in Blade Runner
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23:9 that's what I remember first ok
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yeah this time she is the protector sent
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back in time but there's a twist she's
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actually human with enhancements now
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they don't go into detail about how
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she's enhanced because of things she can
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do are pretty extraordinary and to slow
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the movie down for that would probably
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hurt the pacing give you yeah idea about
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when it happened but not really yeah
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well we'll get to that later actually ok
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but she's pretty badass there's an
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interesting character point about her
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that makes her different from other
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protectors but we'll talk about that a
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little later
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ok because it was a surprise to me yeah
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next is Daniella Ramos or Dani she's the
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person being hunted and Terminator 3
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John Connor and his female friend not
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even know her name
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so that shows how irrelevant she was
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they're being hunted but now in this
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movie it's solely a woman a Hispanic
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woman a Mexican woman yes even though
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she is the MacGuffin she has her own arc
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and unfortunately for her she gets
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overshadowed by the other few characters
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that mostly everyone paid to see but
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there's a pretty cool plot point about
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why she's being hunted but again we'll
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say that for the spoiler section sure
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and of course lastly Ghost Rider himself
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Gabrielle Luna the new Terminator rev 9
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he's is terrifying as much as he is
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suave and charismatic as fuck yes I mean
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I he really is the coolest Terminator to
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date hmm like as soon as he comes out
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that portal in Mexico you know you
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wonder like is he gonna just start being
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people up and killing him but not all
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the same this ain't Joe daddy's
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Terminator
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he drops making a friend this lady
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holding some close up and he's like he
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smiles at it you know he walks up to her
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shows up - in Spanish you know a buenos
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dias you know are you doing you know
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airport it was crazy right you know a
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for real they live give them clothes you
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know I'm saying it's like yes terminate
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me daddy you know hmm sorry as you were
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saying he was so smooth or was he not
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back in the Navy is be like your clothes
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give it to me now it was so very body
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didn't for him to break out the Spanish
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and he was like smiling just just smooth
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like it was something I mean this
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whatever generation of terminators this
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is in this film is clearly significantly
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more advanced than anything we've seen
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before
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which I thought that they established
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that right from the beginning yeah in a
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really good way by having him be so
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creepily human yeah so we kind of had
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you know murder poppy but okay yeah
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murder pop you know he ain't creepy like
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I'm obviously not human have you seen
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this boy Robert Patrick I know he's a
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true infiltrator he adopts faces and
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mannerisms like a real human there was
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one scene in particular that I actually
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laughed out loud at I don't if you know
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nothing about right now but we'll talk
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about it in the spoilers section I don't
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want to ruin it but oh it was funny to
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me he also doesn't act alone if he needs
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to he will manipulate things and people
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to carry out his mission it's truly an
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evolved version
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he also manipulates himself in really
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surprising ways as well yes I think is
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interesting yeah there's well we'll get
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there I'm said I'm sure okay mm-hmm it's
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truly an evolved version when the plot
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needs him to be and I'm gonna get to
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that later okay fair enough and the
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negatives anyway yeah so this is
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directed by Tim Miller mmm his first
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full-length feature film since Deadpool
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mm-hmm he wrote and directed love death
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and robots episode his age yeah that's
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right he did mm-hmm
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and this certainly shows in the action
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which to me is easily the best part
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of this movie yeah it's a great action
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film like I really do get into the
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scenes and I mean first of all I had no
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idea that old girl from sandwich in
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peril was built like allen iverson but
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she is and like I honestly I mean she's
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huge
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I don't know if she actually is that big
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or if that was movie magic in a lot of
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situations I think it was partially
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movie magic because there's no way she's
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bigger than every dude in the film I
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mean she there's a point where Sheila
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sliver she's staring right over Arnold
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Schwarzenegger head and again I'm not
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sure if that's movie magic if she really
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is that big hmm
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but she's very good at the action scenes
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like in a way that I was really not
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expecting so when she first falls off
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the sky I was like oh man we're gonna
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get a MarySue out of this and she kind
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of is but she's a Marisa who can fight
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so it's okay yeah I I haven't been this
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thrilled in a terminator film since t2
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the movie opens up with the first scenes
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that are reminiscent of the mall to
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freely scene in t2 and then some I came
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into this movie with very low
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expectations but every set piece kept my
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eyes wide and I was on the edge of my
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seat the whole time very true me too I
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mean I really loved the first two
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Terminator movies but the last three
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were so awful that I was just expecting
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this one to be terrible too with some
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cool action pieces yeah but this was
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actually a good movie I mean I think it
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is the best movie we've had since too
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easily yeah easily yeah I mean t2 may
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have the most iconic set pieces but
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pound for pound the amount of work that
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went into the set pieces and
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choreography of dark fate are undeniably
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just thrilling and easily the best the
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franchise definitely they really are
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creative as well like there's places
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that there's action that I would never
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have thought of on my own you know I
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wouldn't have expected them to do action
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scenes in certain places and I do and
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it's interesting absolutely yeah the
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chemistry between all the characters are
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pretty good no one phones it in in my
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opinion everyone came to work they work
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very well together and there's some
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decent lines share between them you have
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a well in there I mean I have to be
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honest as far as action grace was the
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strongest link as far as acting I think
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she was kind
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the weakest link she was very much like
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well gee golly I'm human how dare you
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think I'm not you know it was kind of a
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little bit too on-the-nose sometimes but
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she had a lot to do and I can see where
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that where her performance kind of aired
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on the side of over Ernests and perhaps
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it's it's a hard balance with her
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yes she's not just human but she's a
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traumatized human very traumatized being
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enhanced for just living in that world I
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mean she as a kid was in our timeline of
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just a regular Society and then she
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witnesses Judgment Day
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along with just living through it and
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becoming a soldier in it and so she's
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probably mean she's a little colder but
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you definitely do still feel some notion
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I don't know I guess I was hoping
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there'd be a bit more depth there's a
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big difference between her and say Kyle
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Reese who kind of comes out the gate
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like he's the you know trauma can make
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you appear crazy people who haven't
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lived through that same trauma and you
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start you get that from the beginning
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with him whereas she you know I don't
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know it just there's just a depth that
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was lacking for me mm-hmm I feel you
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mm-hmm it's interesting how I'm kind of
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I'm not saying that she was wonderful
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I'm saying that she was fine we look at
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Captain Marvel who's also soldier but
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you and I both don't like her character
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yeah that's true and then I look at this
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person for me it's a little easier to
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understand because they they do a better
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job of pointing out why she's probably
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that way you can fill in the gaps for
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yourself in that way so for me I'm okay
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with it
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mm-hmm well for me the issue with
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Captain Marvel is the writing and the
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acting mmm right for us I think that the
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Grace character was well-written but not
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always acted to the to the level where
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like you have Sarah Connor it's really
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hard to go up against yeah Linda
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Hamilton at in full Sarah Connor cranky
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old lady moves and still come out as a
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fully realized character there were
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moments when it was kind of how deep
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into spoilers can we get okay so there's
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a moment where Sarah Connor and Grace
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have a
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confrontation and grace is kind of there
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it's Eric otters like in full beach or
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ass mode and it's kind of you're kind of
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wondering why I don't think it's an
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issue of dampened emotion as part of the
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writing I think it's just that that's
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where the performance went and it didn't
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go any farther and I wish it kind of had
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in some cases fair yeah I do want to get
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to a bit of that later on I I feel you
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on that honestly I don't have anything
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else on the positive to say so let's get
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to things like it was good it's there's
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a but the thing is like any action movie
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it's more fun to talk about the things
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that you don't like that it is about the
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things you like you can be like wow that
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seemed was really cool but you can only
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say that so much but it's fun to kind of
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pick and look at the things that didn't
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work as well so we're not gonna leave
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you in suspense dear listeners hi yeah
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overall I was entertained by this movie
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it's a great action film
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I reiterate easily the best since t2
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mm-hmm but I do want to go into some
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things that I kind of mmm had some sets
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and it picks for yeah so number one this
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really is just a reboot of the franchise
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again and it's the same story of saving
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someone important as entertaining as
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this was the back of my mum I was just
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like so what we're gonna talk about
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Bojack season six later on but there's a
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point at the last episode where they're
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talking to a female director about
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combat movie she's like another one
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mm-hmm and they're like yeah they're
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looking for someone who can make a
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superhero movie with the twist and she's
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like so they want me to pitch the twist
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like no the pitch is it's a woman yeah
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mm-hmm you know I don't want to
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shortchange this movie like there's a
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lot of good stuff in here
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but like Jurassic world or the force
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awakens etc I'm just ready for it to
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really truly evolve and do something
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else yeah there there are some kind of
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incremental changes here is kind of like
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the almost the Hillary Clinton of
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incremental change in the Terminator
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franchise to me okay I mean yeah I the
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problem with the Terminator movies is
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that they all tell the same story with
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varying degrees of success the reason
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that Terminator 1 and Terminator 2 worse
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both so good is that they told the same
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story but oh
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in different genres and then you had
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every other film come along and try to
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do the same thing but this one is a
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return to the genre of Terminator 2 kind
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of that buddy action flick with a little
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bit of sci-fi thrown in to make it make
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sense yeah but it's just the same story
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again so I knew exactly what was going
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to happen that wasn't surprised by
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anything v I was entertained because of
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the performances because you kind of get
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to see some old faces doing news new ish
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stuff well not even new stuff just doing
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different stuff that other people did in
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other movies before and the action the
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action scenes yeah I mean it was that
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was why I watched it but as far as story
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there's nothing particularly compelling
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about terminator anymore I'm gonna get
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to that too okay in different way my
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number two issue I said before that the
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new revenue and terminer is badass when
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the plot demands it and I mean it and
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sometimes he's running and climbing like
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he's like a World War Z zombie I mean
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like he can really move and he fights
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ferociously when he wants other times he
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takes that that suaveness too seriously
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and just chills or he gets overpowered
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by lesser terminators too easily in my
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opinion it's it has that kind of Walking
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Dead problem where you know you have
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these underpowered and overpowered
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zombies when the plot demands it
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sometimes you can just break an arm off
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or break their face so easily other
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times they're like super strong and you
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know and I think the way he ultimately
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gets terminated you know it's gonna
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happen was a head-scratcher
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but we'll save that yeah definitely I
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from the very first scene so the very
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first scene with him were with him from
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the very first scene you're kind of
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expecting to see so I'm not a person who
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needs a lot of things explained in a
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movie I'm totally okay with using my
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imagination you give me the set piece if
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it's fully realized enough in the world
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building visually I don't need it to be
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explained I'm totally okay with like
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retconning it myself in my mind but they
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showed a lot of what he could do and I
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kind of did want them to explain it more
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and I think that's part of the problem
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where it's like sometimes he was
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really badass and sometimes he was just
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sort of relaxed and chill and it was
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like why how human is this really right
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and that never got answered you know is
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this just like the equivalent of a human
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psychopath in a robot body how is this
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thing like it made me ask those
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questions where if they had realized it
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more fully and more consistently just
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visually then I would have been okay
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with that
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and you also go back to the first two
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films because Kyle Reese very well
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explained what the t800 could do yeah
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but and very briefly he didn't it wasn't
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I didn't have to be belabor he just had
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to say this is what it is and then they
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moved on and then t2 the t800 explained
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what the t1000 could do mm-hmm you can't
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do this it can only form these these
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these basic hammers or weapons with his
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hands etc it can it very well explained
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they mentioned one thing about it can
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acquire what it touches there was so
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much going on with what it could do and
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how just seemingly invincible it was
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that they never really addressed that
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yeah they didn't establish any ground
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rules right it kind of gave you this
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they kind of give you a framework that
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didn't actually include the main
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antagonist well you're right they really
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clearly that's actually a really good
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point I hadn't thought about it so they
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really clearly explained what the
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Terminator can and can't do in t1 and t2
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but then after that that's where the
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movie the franchise kind of falls down
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and that they don't do a good job of
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laying out the ground rules no
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interesting okay and even for this
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protector grace they said well I don't
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want uh it's kind of a because she's
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human and she's enhanced there are
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limits to her abilities yes all I'll
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really say but they don't really go into
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other things like really what she's
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about yeah with that I didn't mind so
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much because she's human inhuman people
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are fickle and there's a lot of
21:52
weirdness going on with human bodies
21:53
okay fine I didn't mind that so much but
21:56
I did mind it with with the Terminator
21:59
like there yeah yeah the Rev 9 mm-hmm
22:01
Rev writer yeah speaking of head
22:03
scratchers the movie introduces and
22:06
tells you about some things
22:07
that to me either don't make sense or
22:09
would be beneficial to see it play out
22:11
as opposed to simply being told and
22:13
kind of what we're talking about is
22:15
among those things grace hacks a
22:17
smartphone with her hand mm-hmm and when
22:19
asked what and how she's doing it she
22:21
simply says future shit there are other
22:24
plot points I want to speak alone but
22:26
we'll save it for the spoiler section
22:27
but it's kinda like they they speed
22:28
through some things just to get to the
22:29
next plot point or action scene it's
22:32
like that Rick and Morty pilot when
22:33
they're running through the airport and
22:34
Morty cues like witnessing crazy things
22:36
it Rick's like don't think about it I
22:38
think that's how I felt about this
22:39
sometimes like when I when I walked out
22:41
I was like wow that was I was impressed
22:43
but then the more I started walking I
22:45
was like totally yeah I mean again if
22:51
it's fully realized enough visually I
22:52
usually don't mind I'll try and figure
22:54
it out like how that could be myself but
22:56
they didn't of those things weren't
22:58
fully realized visually or in the story
23:00
enough for me to want to figure it out
23:02
myself it just didn't make sense
23:03
sure next point I think fans are gonna
23:08
be split about what they do with Arnold
23:10
Schwarzenegger and Eddie furlong very
23:13
much so I was not expecting them to do
23:15
what they did with either of those yeah
23:16
but again we'll say that for the sports
23:18
section and my last minor bit is you
23:21
didn't see the trailer so that's good
23:22
for you but some of the trailer doesn't
23:25
necessarily give away things but it
23:27
gives enough to help you connect the
23:28
dots in the movie so that you aren't
23:30
surprised when things happen mm-hmm like
23:33
there's if you've seen the trailer
23:35
there's no surprise as to how Arnold
23:37
gets introduced with the way they set it
23:39
up yeah I thought they would have I
23:41
thought it would be cooler to not have
23:43
an idea going into it so that was my
23:45
mistake for watching the trailer but
23:46
fair this new movie was one of the ones
23:48
that I wasn't really sure I was going to
23:50
watch let alone review so you haven't
23:54
seen the trailer I would recommend not
23:56
watching it and just going in : that
23:58
makes sense and we still recommend this
24:00
movie yeah I definitely recommend it but
24:02
again with the I did watch one of the
24:04
trailers and then Avadh in the
24:05
background when I was doing other stuff
24:07
like after I saw the movie yeah and
24:09
again you kind of already know what's
24:11
got every Terminator movie has the exact
24:13
same story so trailer or no trailer I
24:15
think you're gonna figure out what's
24:16
gonna happen pretty quickly when you're
24:18
watching what's going on yes but I
24:20
didn't know what they're gonna do with
24:21
Arnold Schwarzenegger I think that was
24:22
that was the bouquet yeah this is a
24:24
they're like this this this this is
24:26
going to happen
24:26
this is here you're like okay mm-hmm of
24:30
course yeah so that's overall
24:33
non-spoiler talk I want to talk about
24:34
really quick what we want to see going
24:36
forward this is apparently the start of
24:40
a new trilogy which I'm or this yeah I
24:44
mean the idea of locking it down to a
24:45
trilogy is wack to me but I'm interested
24:49
in more stories about these characters
24:51
but I am tired of the prevention story
24:54
and just the saving so an important
24:56
story I just want to see them to give us
24:58
the war movies Ridley Scott gave us
25:01
alien and then James Cameron blew our
25:03
minds with aliens true you look at the
25:06
amazing Apes trilogy of recent and see
25:08
how that evolved pun intended you know I
25:11
want I want that for terminator like
25:13
even in this movie they have scenes -
25:16
what happened in the future you're like
25:18
wow this looks crazy
25:20
like I want to see how that plays out it
25:23
kind of reminded me if altered carbon in
25:25
some spots - the whole body jump aspect
25:28
of course but like the military scenes
25:29
reminded me a bit of the way that
25:30
altered carbon took their kind of
25:32
military scenes I never finished this
25:34
show actually it was a good I'll check
25:36
it I'll finish so it's quite good - but
25:37
anyway yeah I just evolve this story and
25:41
and finish it cuz wrist six movies deep
25:43
and we really haven't gone anywhere yeah
25:45
we've just told the same rescue story
25:47
six times yeah but only but it's only
25:50
been told well three times so yeah I
25:52
personally I am just I want to hear a
25:54
new story I want to see a new story I'm
25:57
I'm annoyed that they're gonna make
26:00
three more well two more now Terminator
26:01
films only because I know that they're
26:03
probably going to be the same story told
26:06
two more times I don't I don't think
26:09
this film showed a good enough deep
26:12
enough commitment to good writing to
26:14
make whatever happens after this
26:16
compelling I mean I might see them but
26:19
I'm not gonna be in a hurry I want them
26:22
to do a big time jump yeah I mean they
26:26
kind of did it in this movie kind of
26:27
sort I want them to do some like that I
26:29
want the next movie to be the war maybe
26:32
just two just two war movies set up
26:35
here's the war here's you know a cliff
26:38
hanger like Empire Strikes Back or
26:39
something and then
26:40
second film is like this is it we're
26:43
done yeah I mean I think the only way it
26:46
could be successful is if they do tell
26:47
two really different stories and they do
26:49
a war movie and then maybe a some sort
26:52
of post dystopia movie okay because
26:55
nobody's doing post dystopia
26:56
that'd be great sure I'd love to see
26:58
that I'm winning mm-hmm but right now
27:01
I'm not excited I this was nice but I
27:05
don't really want to see whatever comes
27:06
next unless they're gonna do like they
27:08
did with the t1 and t2 and really
27:09
surprise me
27:10
yeah by humanizing the film and a
27:12
completely different way totally I'm
27:14
totally with you is your thing you want
27:16
to see go for it I don't but because I
27:19
don't want to spend too much time really
27:21
let's get to the sports section so again
27:24
if you have seen this movie stick around
27:25
let's talk about it and if you haven't
27:28
seen the film and you don't want to
27:30
spoil it I would turn off now or cut a
27:32
little bit ahead this would probably be
27:34
about I don't know 10 or 10 to 10
27:36
minutes maybe yeah sure okay can we can
27:38
we put a time stamp on it for folks I
27:41
can do that in Mixcloud but I can't do
27:43
it for Apple podcasts which you can
27:46
subscribe to and write a review for us
27:47
so on or Spotify yeah exactly
27:49
so yeah I would probably say about 10
27:52
mins from now okay anyway let's get
27:54
started
27:54
3 2 1 this is the second film that we've
28:02
seen recently where presumably a black
28:04
woman is killed off screen The Joker
28:08
being the first what black woman was
28:10
called off screen remember this is the
28:13
funny scene I was talking about and that
28:14
black woman shows up in that at that
28:17
notary station and she's talking all
28:19
that shit he's like shut the fuck up
28:21
Terrence stabs guy through the collar
28:24
bone into his party's actually The
28:26
Terminator that was coming I knew it
28:29
but man it was so funny that she like he
28:33
really took on her do you really think
28:41
that terminator himself is Mexican
28:44
anyway I know she fucked here and so
28:47
that's a moment sign for Terrance oh
28:48
gosh other like he was like one of two
28:51
black men in this movie who had speaking
28:52
parts yeah
28:55
sir but yeah how do you feel about John
29:02
kind of getting killed so quick um I was
29:06
surprised yeah it okay from a story
29:09
perspective I was like oh okay this is
29:11
gonna be really different cuz they did
29:12
this yeah it didn't really pay off the
29:14
way I thought it was going to I thought
29:15
that killing John Connor changes
29:17
everything I mean I thought that the
29:19
next scene would be we'd be in the
29:20
middle of some kind of worse yes I'm
29:23
kind of war that didn't happen but I'm
29:27
kind of glad they did it because it
29:29
means that they've got to move somewhere
29:30
else with the story I don't know I do
29:35
kind of wonder though where it's gonna
29:36
go from here if they're gonna make more
29:39
movies just because John Connor has been
29:42
so central to the Terminator mythology
29:43
he has kind of outlived his usefulness
29:45
but what next what happens now it's so
29:49
if Danny becomes the new Terminator the
29:51
new John not the new Terminator sorry
29:52
the new John are we gonna have her do
29:56
some of the kind of unnecessary things
29:59
that John Connor does in the rest of the
30:01
series well it's interesting you say
30:04
that because if you think about it John
30:09
Connor served his purpose by stopping
30:10
Judgment Day in 97 mm-hmm and in 98 he
30:13
got killed
30:14
it's kinda like you've uh you're done
30:16
but that sends ripple throughout time
30:18
and it just kind of feeds into a loop
30:20
yeah you stopped at that time but even
30:22
in rise of the machines term eight or
30:23
three they were like you didn't in
30:25
Judgment Day you just
30:27
and although this movie is supposed to
30:30
erase so of course I know and then the
30:32
rest are all like alternate timelines
30:34
this movie is a direct sequel to number
30:35
eight right of course of course yeah but
30:39
you know the Terminator also talks to
30:41
the ref nine about your future doesn't
30:44
end well either and it's calling
30:45
everyone is kind of like prolonging the
30:47
inevitable
30:48
I find what I found was interesting I
30:50
think about John he reminds me of aliens
30:53
I keep talking about the Alien franchise
30:54
here when Ripley works so hard to save
30:57
Newt and Cal Reese's character and
31:01
aliens
31:02
there's killed so quickly at the start
31:03
of that new film yeah
31:06
I was all upset about that suppose it a
31:09
kid like like that yeah but I set the
31:11
stakes pretty high but yeah but I'm not
31:13
terribly upset about what happened here
31:15
either oh it's like last today let the
31:18
past I know kill it if you have to you I
31:21
guess yeah I mean it did a really good
31:23
job of setting the way that Sarah Connor
31:27
is in this film yeah so that was really
31:30
good mmm I thought it was good as far I
31:32
mean as a writing decision I thought it
31:33
was really good a stroke of genius but
31:35
palsy yeah very variable very very but
31:39
as far as emotional impact and impact on
31:41
the story yeah yeah well we kind of
31:43
still have a John Connor sorry it didn't
31:45
really change that much Jelena Carter
31:48
yeah how do you feel about Carl okay not
31:56
boo exactly it's just I okay talk about
32:01
it I mean here's the thing I get what
32:06
they're trying to do but they had to
32:09
hand wave way too much to make the
32:11
Terminator friendly call the plumber or
32:13
what is he an interior designer drape
32:16
free sky yeah friendly Carl the
32:18
draperies guy who is funny who's very
32:22
funny he's he's very very funny but he's
32:26
you know living he's been raising
32:28
somebody's kid with them for the past 20
32:30
years or whatever 15 years I don't know
32:32
they had just had to hand wave too much
32:34
to make impossible too much and then all
32:36
of a sudden he's a terminator again so
32:37
you've been spending all this time
32:38
learning how to be human and because
32:40
Sarah Connor shows up and snaps her
32:42
fingers and says you killed my son I'm
32:44
going to murder you too
32:45
it just doesn't make any sense no how
32:48
does it kill BOTS develop a conscience
32:50
and you know t800 from t2 was a learning
32:53
computer but it was a hacked computer
32:54
they hacked it this is just a clean I
32:57
did my mission you know I don't
32:59
understand how car wasn't a programmed
33:01
to self-destruct after he completed his
33:03
mission that was my question he walks
33:05
off into the water after killing John
33:07
Connor and I'm walking into the
33:11
direction of the water time to attend
33:12
I'm finished right but he just walks off
33:16
and you think okay well that's the end
33:17
of the Terminator why would he
33:19
in their right mind would program a
33:20
murder bot to go ahead and do their
33:22
murder and then just hang out and not
33:24
murder anything ever again
33:25
what is it murder but if you're trying
33:27
to you don't want to inadvertently
33:29
affect your future if you're so why
33:32
wouldn't you just program it head to a
33:34
you know I teach you head to a molten
33:37
lava foundry right exactly
33:38
just jump into a volcano exactly or just
33:40
be done did self destruct disappear
33:42
Skynet is a sloppy programmer I don't
33:45
get it absolutely
33:45
mhm mmm and B I don't say and how I grew
33:50
a conscience in the first place because
33:52
it's programming this is I like is it is
33:54
it designed by you know Windows cuz it
33:56
has these these glitches how does it
33:58
just develop a conscious out of nowhere
34:00
react and a perfectly moral human
34:04
conscious at that right and how did it
34:08
get gray and flabby as time went on
34:11
right so okay that was my biggest
34:13
question so in the cuz I thought about
34:15
it actually did watch Terminator 1
34:17
against that is one of my favorite
34:18
movies before watching this man in
34:19
Terminator 1 Kyle Reese does this whole
34:22
thing where he says okay so he's
34:23
explaining what the Terminator is and he
34:25
says it's got a human skin over a robot
34:28
body it's got bad breath it looks like a
34:30
human but it's actually a robot that's
34:32
meant to kill you okay 1980s about
34:34
experience but it's like synthetic
34:36
organic yeah matter yes that like
34:42
expanding you can't gather fat why would
34:44
you program a robot together exactly so
34:46
we're how do you get it to age like how
34:49
is this synthetic flesh aging and also
34:52
how does old girl not know he's a robot
34:55
because literally the robot is like
34:57
right up underneath his skin like if he
35:00
knocks his head against something it's
35:01
gonna ding so what I don't make mistakes
35:05
right and I'm extremely funny
35:07
exactly it's so confusing it's like
35:09
Sarah Connor asked the perfect question
35:11
how did she not notice that your weigh
35:13
400 pounds and you know we don't have a
35:16
physical relationship too much hand
35:18
waving way too much hand waving she's
35:19
like really you saying this like you
35:22
know moderately attractive lady with her
35:24
son is just gonna hang out at your crib
35:26
for 15 years and not everyone stranger
35:30
things can happen but again
35:32
should that there should be more of an
35:33
understanding of the in their
35:35
relationship then I'm just the guy who
35:37
takes care of your kid I'm a robot
35:39
developing unconscious also he's
35:41
developed a conscious over time he
35:43
didn't he wasn't this person when they
35:45
first met so when they first met he was
35:47
just like he he wasn't a person he was
35:50
super buff thing just shows up one day
35:53
like I shall change the diaper like what
35:55
and then of course he was like your
35:56
name's Carl that's what they call me
35:58
it isn't like he said I'm Carl yeah you
36:01
know why again I would like to see a you
36:06
know maybe a short anthology of Carl
36:08
becoming Carl that would actually be
36:12
really funny mm-hmm yeah um okay let's
36:16
move on a little bit is it that easy to
36:18
kill term eaters with just a simple EMP
36:20
because why didn't they adopt that years
36:22
ago exactly like the t800 should have
36:25
known that exactly
36:27
why didn't Carl just tell Sarah how to
36:29
do that whenever he sent coordinates to
36:30
her okay here goes locations with your
36:33
guns and just kill these things you
36:35
never know what kind of gonna come out
36:37
it could be a Reb nine that won't even
36:38
be affected by the ship's Eisley instead
36:41
of just saying take your EMP to this
36:43
point in time and shut it down done and
36:46
also let's be real why they did that
36:48
whole thing I have done it to give you
36:50
purpose Sarah but why isn't he
36:52
tournament he's a terminator why isn't
36:54
he killing the terminators yes what yes
36:56
what I would have liked to have seen is
36:58
a Sarah Connor Terminator team-up
37:01
they're a team who goes around
37:02
terminating terminators that would have
37:03
been way more fun and let me go find
37:05
Karl in the woods hanging drapes and
37:07
changing diapers come on hey they missed
37:10
a golden opportunity to have a genuinely
37:13
badass terminator terminating team
37:15
traveling around and then they're the
37:17
ones who Grace and Danny meet up with
37:19
that would've been great but I wouldn't
37:20
want them to hand-wave oh I killed John
37:22
but you know we're cool now also I don't
37:24
know why they had to use the same
37:26
Terminator that killed John because she
37:27
says in the beginning many terminators
37:29
were sent I totally agree with you why
37:31
does it have to be the same terminator
37:33
if many terminators were sent it could
37:34
have been another terminator who then
37:36
who had the glitch because he saw this
37:38
Terminator terminate John Connor that
37:41
would have made more sense and then he
37:42
develops a conscience because something
37:44
happened in his logic circuits
37:46
sarah connor because she because one of
37:48
the things i like about her character
37:49
she consistently takes levels in badass
37:51
every single movie that she's in from
37:53
the first one she's like this stupid
37:54
party girl who like works in a boutique
37:56
or something yeah and then the next one
37:58
she's like a murder machine who's like
38:00
breaking out of things and like you know
38:02
really cool by this time okay she's 60
38:05
years old or whatever she's learned to
38:06
program whywhy didn't she capture a
38:09
terminator and and hack it herself so
38:11
that she's got a good part cuz let's be
38:13
real a 60 year old lady with a gun and a
38:16
terminator i don't care how bad a she is
38:18
she needs backup what I'm curious about
38:21
is what terminators came out because if
38:24
they already sent t1000 in that time
38:27
mm-hmm like they're only gonna get more
38:30
advanced right yeah that's and the guns
38:34
that she brought to kill the revenue
38:35
aren't gonna do it exactly so how did
38:38
she kill these things exactly what
38:40
terminators were they were they just way
38:41
over there Morty eight hundreds and if
38:43
so why again too much hand wavy I'm
38:46
telling you could have made the story
38:48
much cleaner by just having her and a
38:49
terminator teamed up from the beginning
38:50
without having the whole like journey
38:52
into the woods that Justin Timberlake
38:54
album man of the woods movement I want
38:56
to talk about how the Rebbe nine died so
38:58
even the Rev nine which can split itself
39:01
between this nanotech and is like X is
39:04
in endoskeleton if it can go through
39:09
fire and debris like it melts and kind
39:11
of reforms elsewhere why did it come
39:13
back at the end of the movie when Carl
39:14
pushed it into the generator and it blew
39:16
up yeah I was confused cuz cuz yeah
39:19
Dexter Colson came out yeah and it was
39:21
kind of beat-up but it wasn't I was like
39:23
the nanotech could have just reformed
39:25
around how was that destroyed they never
39:28
addressed that they didn't at all
39:29
although yeah there are a lot of things
39:32
that weren't addressed so going back
39:33
even to the very first scene where you
39:35
see the Rev nine fighting with grace the
39:39
first time the first thing I thought is
39:41
well first of all in there in some some
39:43
Auto processing Auto produces what's the
39:46
word auto production plant in Mexico and
39:49
my first thought was various all your
39:51
jobs are right exactly so there in the
39:56
photo production plant
39:58
and grace and the Rev nine begin to
40:00
fight like out of nowhere this is the
40:02
very first like real intense super
40:05
action piece it's a really well staged
40:08
piece really well done but I thought to
40:10
myself okay there are something wrong
40:12
something very wrong with these Mexicans
40:13
okay because let's be real you go to
40:17
your job in Mexico City or wherever they
40:19
live it's not Mexico City it's close to
40:20
the border I don't know where they are
40:21
you go to your job where you're just you
40:25
know casually putting bolts in cars and
40:28
then suddenly murder poppy and a
40:30
gigantic white women just start brawling
40:32
all over the floor and you don't run
40:35
you just hang out like oh my god what's
40:38
happening let me try and help run what
40:41
are you doing right so there's a lot
40:43
wrong with the interactions and
40:45
somebody's speaking of Mexicans I had
40:50
some thoughts about the Hispanic man
40:53
infiltrating ice and the border and then
40:57
going on a killing spree through the
40:58
facility killing ice agents yeah it's
41:03
like I I'm against that
41:04
it's like like fuck ice but you know it
41:09
was interesting sorry not to cut you off
41:11
but I thought it was interesting that
41:13
the voices and faces of ice were all
41:15
women or people of color it was like
41:18
there was a black woman who was giving
41:20
everybody crap in the the cells it would
41:23
the peep the the people who were the
41:24
medical team they were all either
41:26
Hispanic or Latino really Latino or
41:29
there was one white woman and then of
41:32
course the red nine himself is dressed
41:33
as an ice agent or as a military member
41:36
for most of his time on screen and he is
41:38
also Latino which I thought was
41:39
interesting I mean there were there were
41:41
a few AI faces but largely but most of
41:43
the voices like most you're a speaking
41:45
role so yeah like personality having
41:47
roles mm-hmm we didn't talk about it
41:50
with Marvel but sometimes the military
41:53
helps produce movies by providing
41:54
military personnel as extras or access
41:57
to their facilities vehicles etc
41:59
airplanes I wonder if they had a hand in
42:05
this and if they made their facilities
42:07
look nicer than they really are
42:09
we've all read and heard the horror
42:11
stories about
42:12
these concentration camps I really doubt
42:14
it I also have to say Oh No
42:17
Schwarzenegger Tookie Williams issue
42:20
aside I was pleasantly surprised that
42:23
there was such a strong that this hold
42:28
there was the whole thing about the
42:28
Terminator killing Ice Age it's in a
42:30
movie that he was in because he's his
42:33
immigration stance has been notoriously
42:35
ropey okay so it was interesting to see
42:37
that in this him in this movie with that
42:39
in this movie oh sure yeah mhm yeah I'm
42:42
very curious how his banker will react
42:45
to that scene you know it was
42:47
interesting because this week so I saw
42:49
the Terminator yesterday and then like
42:51
two or three days ago I also saw Rambo
42:53
last blood which also has a really
42:55
significant plot point where with a lot
42:57
of the movie takes place in Mexico and a
42:59
lot of the cast are Mexican and what our
43:01
main female protagonists are all Mexican
43:04
which I I don't know I found it
43:07
interesting to see kind of those two
43:08
movies back to back basically sure on
43:12
the one hand it's politically expedient
43:13
on the other hand representation matters
43:15
on the other other hand though there
43:18
does seem to be this interesting sort of
43:20
trope developing of Mexican women as
43:23
unwitting saviors / eternal victims that
43:27
I don't really love and that happened in
43:30
both Rambo and in this I thought
43:32
eventually Danny Ramos does become the
43:34
new John Connor essentially and she's
43:35
kind of badass but it takes her a long
43:38
time to get there and she doesn't see
43:40
even though she seems to be kind of like
43:41
the golden child and her family there
43:46
doesn't seem to be much in her except
43:48
for tears until the very end of the film
43:50
and even then when she decided she was
43:52
going to fight I was like what you gonna
43:54
do yeah I mean she she got what's the
43:59
word what's the black phrase she got
44:02
real I don't know I mean I mean she was
44:07
talking a lot of shit like take your
44:11
time cuz she's talking a lot of shit for
44:13
like literally everyone around her is
44:15
much more off than you yeah that's
44:21
another thing what was she even doing
44:22
there everybody else is like let's hang
44:23
this is our kill box we're gonna fight
44:25
the Terminator I'm the
44:26
bate but I'm just gonna stand here while
44:27
everybody fights the Terminator around
44:29
me when he could easily slip through
44:30
everybody and murder me in two seconds
44:32
and then she was like I mean he shows up
44:34
he's like I hate running exactly okay
44:36
again look we are clearly black folks I
44:41
grew up in Colorado I grew I grew up in
44:43
Colorado around a lot of Mexican people
44:45
a lot of people of Latino descent we are
44:48
all hood adjacent mm-hm and one thing we
44:50
do not do is not run when things start
44:53
blowing up viral video right it's like
44:57
what happens when somebody starts
44:58
running in the hood and it's like one
45:00
guys just starts running and everybody
45:02
else regardless of race cuz they're in
45:04
the hood starts running now I'm not
45:05
saying that these people are in the hood
45:06
but I'm just saying right culturally we
45:10
are not gonna stand around and go oh my
45:11
goodness it's a monster what do I do
45:14
scream no we don't do that run hide
45:17
what's going on here who wrote this
45:20
white people but still white bin yeah
45:23
exactly so I mean still yeah that just
45:25
didn't seem to hit for me culturally I
45:27
want to go back to closely speaking I
45:29
want to go back to the ice scene you
45:30
know the scene for me just had a shallow
45:32
payoff and on top of that it's the white
45:34
woman who frees the prisoners not out of
45:38
her own benevolence it's just to help
45:41
cause chaos and help them escape
45:42
probably a number of prisoners died
45:45
because some agents were afraid one in
45:47
the panic of the chaos they probably
45:49
just shot some prisoners dead but the
45:52
film will ignore that because for the
45:54
sake of yeah but I mean that's a that's
45:56
a critical point in every Terminator
45:58
film I think there's loads of casualties
46:01
but now this is focused on Hispanic
46:05
people yeah and so I'm like you know the
46:07
Conservation Camp was slash is so
46:08
important this year it just rubbed me
46:11
the wrong way the way it was used a
46:12
little bit I don't know it just felt
46:14
shallow yeah well yeah I I don't know I
46:20
thought it was again too much hand
46:22
waving to make it really make sense yes
46:24
because first of all Sarah Connor said
46:27
she's wanted in all 50 states they're
46:28
not gonna put her in regular detention
46:29
with everybody else well they were
46:31
taking her out that's true but they
46:33
would have ID'd them I would think
46:34
before they even put them in there
46:35
that's a good point the grace is like
46:39
having sea
46:40
and whatnot and they don't even know who
46:41
she is but she's in some sort of weird
46:43
self-contained medical facility with
46:46
four people looking at her and there's
46:48
nobody else in there you're right it was
46:50
a very clean very neat very scientific
46:52
facility and then it was just very it
46:56
just seemed like a set-piece it didn't
46:58
seem like there was any real reason it
46:59
had to be a detention facility they
47:01
could have stopped at a Krispy Kreme on
47:02
the highway and had the same kind of
47:04
situation I mean it really wasn't any I
47:07
think they wanted it to be more special
47:08
than it was and it wasn't I exactly I
47:10
said I think I wanted to be deep in
47:12
symbolically guy killing ice agents but
47:14
is very shallow yeah and pandering
47:16
before we went to Watchmen I want to
47:19
quickly go over some plot points of it
47:22
was pretty much for a shadow that Danny
47:24
wasn't the womb she was actually a
47:26
person they really emphasized that I was
47:28
like I'm not surprised but it was cool
47:30
like again they should have made her
47:34
more interesting yeah it was fine for
47:36
Sarah Connor to be pretty useless
47:37
because she wasn't the actual person who
47:39
was going to save the world her son was
47:41
yeah but if Danny Ramos is gonna become
47:43
this badass general in the future she
47:45
was like she's like four feet tall and
47:47
she comes up out of the rubble there's a
47:49
scene that's a flash-forward she comes
47:51
up out of the rubble and talks like all
47:53
these creeps down from abusing the child
47:55
who eventually becomes Grace in the
47:58
future and you never get a sense of her
48:00
having anything like that kind of
48:02
personality or that foundation and her
48:04
personality so they needed to make a
48:08
clearer choice yeah she's not gonna be
48:09
the womb never let her act like it yeah
48:11
that's my thing
48:12
or give her a stronger turn reason or
48:16
you know why she's the one you know and
48:19
lastly let's talk about grace writing up
48:24
every time she wants to fight her or
48:26
heal again hand-waving
48:29
oh I have all this crazy Aztec in me I
48:31
need like some weird 20th century yeah
48:35
medicine to keep going like it was anti
48:38
convulsive she needed so essentially
48:40
whatever was done to her made her a
48:41
futuristic epileptic which I thought I
48:45
know I will say I thought that those
48:47
parts were really well acted like when
48:48
she was kind of going through her thing
48:50
and I thought that that was an
48:51
interesting touch but again
48:53
uh this is a place where I think the
48:55
performance was good but the writing
48:57
that backed it up was not great okay
48:58
like it was solid yeah actually the
49:00
opposite as to the rest of that
49:02
character what formed that character
49:04
they didn't really I mean none of us
49:07
watching this aren't doctors so we don't
49:09
know but the idea of her and I think
49:13
what made it seem weird to me is that at
49:15
the end she's got a power source so she
49:17
has a power source that in her end but
49:20
her metabolism is the problem then why
49:23
aren't her power source and her
49:24
metabolism connected how does this
49:26
actually work you don't really need to
49:28
explain it all but you needed to give us
49:29
a little bit more than I need to break
49:31
into the pharmacy and steal all the
49:32
epilepsy drugs yeah I'm with you
49:35
yeah all right let's go on moving on the
49:39
second episode of The Watchmen oh you
49:41
made a face man it was kind of what I
49:45
was afraid of
49:46
Oh bad I'm looking forward to the next
49:51
episode still but that first episode had
49:55
such a flow and a congressionally just
49:57
pulled you into this world in the second
49:58
episode I don't know if I said this on
50:00
the mic before but my biggest worry
50:04
about Watchmen is that it's the same
50:05
showrunner as lost right and lost had a
50:07
great start and then kind of meandered
50:09
off into no-man's land pretty quickly
50:11
because he's a panther not a planner and
50:14
I think Watchmen is something that needs
50:16
planning as far as writing goes and the
50:21
second episode was very much like well
50:23
now you're in the world let's go over
50:25
here and see what this is let's poke
50:27
this let's poke that there were some
50:28
cool touches but I really needed the
50:30
third episode to have more plot
50:31
progression to it I really wish this was
50:34
a Binger because sometimes shows like
50:37
these will have those dips if you watch
50:40
daredevil and you got to that that kind
50:43
of filler episode you'll be like man
50:45
this is whack but watching it straight
50:47
through you kind of forget about that
50:48
it's think about the overall picture so
50:51
yeah we don't know what's gonna happen
50:51
exactly but I thought there's some cool
50:53
touches here oh yeah the very beginning
50:55
opens with the Germans dropping leaflets
50:58
on the black soldiers during river one
50:59
you know you see white men literally
51:03
spit on a fellow black soldier while
51:05
he's reading this letter you know
51:07
you enjoy the same rights as the white
51:08
people in America my people have fine
51:10
positions in Germany why fight us to
51:14
carry the gun and service for America is
51:16
not an honor yeah what a shame that was
51:18
some deep out history I will say that
51:20
yeah yeah where did that actually go
51:24
though like I was not sure like where
51:25
that wound up and so that's the thing so
51:28
in the Watchmen look you had the black
51:31
freighter as the kind of the side story
51:32
- yeah what's happening in the main
51:35
story yeah but I feel like now we have
51:37
this kind of alternate black history
51:39
with that yeah and obviously the
51:42
American hero story on TV that
51:43
everyone's watching right they're kind
51:45
of both happening alongside the main
51:49
narrative and so I don't know how is
51:50
gonna play out what's the thing like I
51:52
don't know definitely but obviously we
51:55
learn now that that boy is what's what's
51:59
Regina Kings character name I don't know
52:02
her Angela a bar is her yes name she's
52:04
now there yeah they related yes use her
52:07
grant her grandmother which you kind of
52:10
you know yeah I think it's great I just
52:12
I don't know that I wanted it to be a
52:14
bencher I just really want I want every
52:16
episode to compel me to watch the next
52:17
one I think that's one of the problems
52:19
that with binging series is that because
52:22
people are making series that are all
52:24
released in one chunk now they don't
52:26
have to keep that hook they don't have
52:28
to tell stories that have a beginning
52:29
middle end and then you want to see the
52:31
next beginning when you get to the end
52:33
of it you're kind of getting stories
52:34
that you're expecting people to binge so
52:37
they kind of just go and go and go and
52:38
go and maybe you look at the whole
52:39
picture later I think I don't know that
52:42
that's always the best way to tell a
52:43
story over many episodes of something
52:45
personally but that's it I didn't
52:48
dislike the episode I was just hoping
52:50
that it would have more of a bearing on
52:53
the overall story but again it might
52:55
have just been set up for stuff that
52:56
can't that comes later it seems that way
52:59
I mean personally I haven't watched lot
53:00
of shows that binge slash shows that
53:02
didn't have that aspect to him like I
53:05
think all the Marvel shows are pretty
53:06
much on that level and obviously Bojack
53:09
has things like that I love this one's
53:11
it's you I mean going from the opening
53:13
with World War One and then you have
53:16
Angela discovering her chief had a Klan
53:19
costume in his
53:20
is it interesting yeah obviously yeah
53:24
and then learning about her heritage and
53:27
then we go to I was having skip gates as
53:30
the the treasurer so I thought that was
53:34
a nice touch yeah yeah totally and then
53:37
we have I guess vite learning that he's
53:42
still really crazy but he's like has
53:44
clones in life right and that's it's
53:46
like as soon as what I like about this
53:48
show is same as the first episode the
53:50
first episode kind of set up
53:53
world-building but it put in strings
53:56
with things that made you wonder like
53:57
what is this about that's true and then
53:59
this episode answered a couple of them
54:02
yeah but then even as soon as they
54:05
answer those questions it's like one or
54:07
two more pop up in its place which is
54:09
like I'd yeah I agree with that yeah
54:11
it's totally it's it's definitely good
54:12
world building we finally found out why
54:14
their kids are white right not they're
54:16
kids they're adopted from another
54:17
superhero couple who died that man died
54:19
like that they didn't over explain it
54:21
right that was really well done yeah I
54:24
don't know I guess I'm just I don't know
54:26
I maybe I'm being prejudiced but because
54:28
of the law it was the lost showrunner
54:30
and lost went and nowhere at all
54:31
I'm just really cautious like really
54:35
yeah exactly yeah exactly I would be
54:37
hurt again okay like yeah I never saw a
54:39
loss but I don't have me any kind of
54:41
personally says I want to go to a little
54:43
more of the details here the scene
54:48
showing the white knight was really cool
54:51
like how she she started off hugging
54:54
that she was trying to lower him down
54:55
from being hung and then it cuts to her
54:58
hugging Black Manta and the house and
55:01
then how it ends is her waking up and
55:04
she's in the hospital bed and she and
55:08
the chief pledges to stay in the force
55:10
with her and hold her hand and then it
55:12
transitions back out with her touching
55:14
his hand I was like wow this is just
55:17
really I get we talked about great
55:18
filmmaking yeah it really is
55:20
I'm trying to figure out what's going on
55:23
with this character Red Scare like
55:25
that's got to be there's got to be a
55:26
really interesting I'm not a Nazi
55:28
communist exactly yeah and the fact that
55:31
he's you know he's he's first in line to
55:33
go beat the crap out of
55:34
white supremacists it's an interesting
55:37
sense that there's an interesting story
55:39
there I do kind of like that a lot of
55:41
the side characters like pirate Jenny
55:43
you don't really see her so much in this
55:44
episode but you see the side characters
55:45
you know kind of like what it's their
55:47
story and that was something that the
55:48
comic book did really well you were
55:50
really interested in even like the
55:51
little kind of side guy who only shows
55:52
up in one or two panels yeah this the
55:55
show is doing the same thing where
55:56
you're kind of like what what's going on
55:57
with that no totally how do you feel
55:59
about this what is an American hero
56:01
story I think once we finished
56:04
everything you'll be easier to kind of
56:05
make iron my judgment but just like the
56:08
black freighter like the quotes you know
56:10
I wrote him down here and in the person
56:12
it was super violent that was insane I
56:14
mean he smashed his head with that yeah
56:16
and the fact that this was just on
56:18
regular TV like what and she I mean and
56:22
Angela was fine with letting her well
56:25
her adopted son watching yeah but he'd
56:26
seen his parents die so I guess it
56:28
didn't matter to have him see more
56:29
violence in her mind but that said I did
56:32
I do realize that I just said this was
56:34
regular TV oh my gosh but then I watched
56:36
this on regular TV so I guess but also
56:39
to that show preface like five minutes
56:42
it was like a UH like a medical pill
56:45
commercial yeah it was like there was
56:46
like so many lists of things that were
56:48
problematic in this show don't or like
56:49
don't let kids watch it wasn't even like
56:51
stay with them while you watch it like
56:53
don't let kids watch this yeah so yeah
56:56
you know the end the quote was like you
56:58
know who are you it's like Who am I when
57:01
I was little when I looked in the mirror
57:03
I saw stranger looking back at me and he
57:05
was very very angry mm-hmm what could I
57:08
do with all this energy nothing the
57:10
ground this high voltage you knows I was
57:12
really cool and then you know it it
57:14
start to transition out to Angela I
57:16
never felt comfortable in my own skin so
57:18
I made a new one a costume right when I
57:20
put it on he and I became one so Who am
57:23
I
57:24
finding the answer to that I wouldn't be
57:27
wearing a fucking mask so anything any
57:30
traditions right into yeah her it
57:33
traditions from her finding her old
57:37
she's costume right his mask so it's
57:40
like you do a job of showing the
57:41
interconnectedness and how all these
57:43
different characters even though they're
57:44
all and walking around on their own skin
57:46
and clearly deal with issues of feeling
57:48
disc
57:48
connected from the world at large I
57:50
don't think in the same things which i
57:51
think is a really really good one of the
57:55
better themes within the watchman
57:58
properties yeah so yeah so yeah
57:59
is it like I said I think it I'm really
58:01
still interested and I'm just I think I
58:04
got really enjoyed this one I think that
58:06
the the first episode was hit me in a
58:09
stronger way but I really enjoyed this
58:11
episode personally and I'm just I really
58:14
want to see just how it ends like I wish
58:16
I could just freeze myself yes
58:18
yeah in that sense it did what good TV
58:21
does I want to see what happens next
58:23
so yeah I mean I and I enjoy speculating
58:27
about what's going to happen next which
58:29
is interesting was that kid does that
58:32
kid have superpowers rich kid the kid
58:35
saw the two in the room about uncle Jed
58:37
dying who was like stacking that I know
58:43
he's not but he just looked so much like
58:45
Michael Jackson yeah I decide that's
58:46
what I call oh my god like it I'm sorry
58:54
but anyway the yeah I don't know but I'd
58:58
be surprised if he did cuz I cuz I saw
59:00
underneath that structure was like a
59:02
kind of a metal platform so maybe it was
59:04
like losing like magnetism to keep it
59:07
afloat because if ourselves like what
59:09
what is this and I was really I was
59:11
worrying about is there other other
59:12
super super powered people in the
59:14
universe and then I realized I watched
59:16
it a few times and I was like okay yeah
59:18
you know there's a hole now one thing
59:20
that they're doing a good job with
59:21
unfurling in terms of the world building
59:23
is that apparently all the technology is
59:25
just slightly different so if you read
59:28
the supplemental materials on the
59:30
Watchmen I haven't read on the watchman
59:31
website I haven't read them all yet but
59:33
one of the things they say is that
59:35
magnetism is much more developed and
59:37
like power sources are much more
59:39
developed because of dr. Manhattan right
59:41
the internet doesn't exist okay right
59:45
which i think is interesting as unit
59:46
right so there's all of these steps away
59:48
from technology as we know it but
59:50
there's also concurrent versions of
59:52
technology as we know it because dr.
59:53
Manhattan existed interesting yeah so I
59:56
think I wonder if that was an
59:58
illustration of one of those things but
59:59
really mhm
60:02
okay anything else you want to talk
60:04
about no I'm I'm honestly I'm kind of
60:07
damming it with faint praise I'm nervous
60:08
but I think it's still a good show and
60:10
I'm looking forward to the next episode
60:11
for sure
60:12
yes aim yeah let's go Du Bois Jack bear
60:18
with me folks I didn't really write a
60:19
whole lotta notes about this I've been
60:21
so pressed for time and you got to watch
60:23
a movie an eight-episode show and
60:26
Watchmen like we still have day jobs man
60:29
we're like right yeah it's crazy this is
60:31
nuts but I've never watched this but TV
60:32
in my life I kind of enjoy it but at the
60:35
same time I'm like gosh what's going on
60:37
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61:00
man super calm okay Bojack okay man I
61:07
like how it continues the main story of
61:10
these characters and evolves them but it
61:14
also as you're talking about current
61:16
events so dealt with you know bojack's
61:19
animation team had a strike and they
61:21
address striking in the show mm-hmm they
61:25
talked about you know how still
61:28
superhero movies can become or are you
61:30
know I almost they are but the anxiety
61:33
about that mhm and also how female
61:36
directors play in these situations you
61:39
can only direct a female superhero movie
61:41
not anything else yeah right and when
61:43
you direct it you've got a direct it in
61:44
the way that is accepted to tell female
61:46
superhero stories yeah do what do what
61:48
we want you to do heaven forbid you
61:50
actually bring any of your own
61:51
experience to this movie
61:52
exactly envision right totally
61:55
episode 2 versus Carolyn with that baby
61:59
yeah that was we were talking a little
62:01
bit about this last week yeah but yeah
62:04
just I don't think I've ever seen kind
62:07
of such a I hate to say it but such a
62:09
realistic portrayal of the kind of
62:11
stress that I know I'm not a mother but
62:14
I am a woman right and even
62:16
out a kid like there is this there is
62:18
this expectation that you can do it all
62:19
right and that if you're not doing it
62:21
all there's something wrong with you
62:22
here somehow inferior right or or you're
62:25
a bimbo or you're lazy I know there's
62:27
something wrong with you if you're not
62:28
out there just grinding a hundred and
62:30
twenty four percent all the time
62:32
with relationships and work and
62:36
extracurricular activities it's
62:37
difficult right now I'm not saying that
62:40
men don't also have a version of these
62:44
same sorts of expectations but meant the
62:45
thing about it is that men have access
62:47
to significantly greater resources and
62:49
also to the labor of women to help them
62:51
make that happen and women often are
62:53
just left to do it all on our own and if
62:55
we need help or expect it to buy it in
62:59
terms of like getting a nanny or getting
63:01
a house cleaner and if you do that then
63:02
people still look down at you because
63:04
you're supposed to do at all what do you
63:06
mean somebody else is looking after your
63:07
kid what do you mean somebody else is
63:10
cooking your food or cleaning your house
63:13
why do you need an assistant all of
63:15
those things are questions you know
63:16
there's this idea that every woman is a
63:18
lazy superhero hates me and I really
63:23
that I really felt that episode because
63:25
it really does show you how you're
63:27
supposed that the the device of using
63:31
like a shadow of Princess Carolyne doing
63:33
all the things she's supposed to do
63:34
around the room while she is just
63:35
somewhere just completely zonked out
63:38
with no idea what she's gonna be able to
63:40
completely zonked out with no idea what
63:42
she's going to be able to do next
63:44
it was so accurate cuz it does feel like
63:46
you've got to be everywhere at one time
63:48
yeah everything at one time and the real
63:51
you is just somewhere inside all of that
63:53
just trying to take a nap okay and you
63:56
had that externally and this here's a
64:00
York pictures of women who do it all
64:02
here's a picture of what the ideal woman
64:04
is but it obviously doesn't reveal
64:07
mm-hmm the reality exactly and all these
64:10
other women are hanging around kind of
64:13
lying saying that they're also doing it
64:15
all they're not they're they have their
64:16
own tricks and tools of the trade but
64:18
nobody talks about that and they're also
64:19
rich yeah this doesn't account for you
64:23
know single mothers for single mothers
64:25
working class
64:27
mm-hmm so I thought that was that was
64:29
really great mm-hmm the gut-punched and
64:32
the first episode about Jameson and it
64:34
was really her baby she tricked Bojack
64:36
to going to her house to remember that
64:39
the girl yeah yeah I really felt bad
64:46
there I was like Oh her poor dad God
64:48
yeah yeah uh-huh
64:49
poor dad and poor Bojack who's actually
64:50
trying to kind of do the right thing
64:52
right gets kicked in the throat with it
64:54
yeah yeah yeah like I liked his quote
64:58
it's the thing about this show it's you
65:00
have these heavy topics and then right
65:02
in the middle they'll throw it at choke
65:04
and you do laughs like episode two and
65:07
she's asking Bojack about names for her
65:09
child and he was like oh I had sex with
65:11
this lady at this party book light and
65:12
then he said you know what maybe
65:13
shouldn't ask me about any woman's names
65:16
I mean the show is really funny and it's
65:20
good because it's kind of this this dark
65:22
comedy but in the best possible way a
65:24
lot of dark comedy is dark comedy you
65:26
cringe at but Bojack horseman literally
65:28
does have some legit laugh-out-loud
65:30
moments which I always appreciate it but
65:33
then it didn't you know but you're right
65:34
you're you're horrified and shocked and
65:37
we have punches come yeah you're you
65:39
know deep in your feelings in one moment
65:41
and then you're laughing the next it's a
65:43
really good show and I really appreciate
65:45
it if you had told me a couple years ago
65:47
that one of my favorite shows would be
65:48
about an anthropomorphic animal people
65:52
who coexist with regular human beings
65:55
and talk about depression and mental
65:59
health and the struggles of work life
66:02
and dating like I I would have thought
66:04
you were smoking something but this show
66:07
is really great yeah and super creative
66:11
I love the creativity in it because they
66:13
know it's a ridiculous concept and they
66:15
play with that a lot so it's emotionally
66:17
very genuine but visually just bizarre
66:20
it's great I love the gags they have my
66:22
doing episode with the the female
66:24
director they had in the background a
66:26
rabbit wearing a Punisher shirt hmm and
66:29
so obviously throughout the show Oh half
66:31
gags like a worm literally doing the
66:33
breakdancing worm or I liked in season
66:36
was season five where a guy was talking
66:39
to a mantis woman
66:40
out of his car oh yeah and as she was
66:42
she was talking here she was salting
66:44
here yeah you know these guys are great
66:45
so this I'm assuming it was cool about
66:49
the rabbit Punisher I'm gonna call it
66:51
the bunny sure because bunny right yeah
66:54
sure because there are some gags that
66:57
are obvious but sometimes you legit have
66:59
to pause the frame to catch them right
67:03
like even now there are probably so many
67:05
Easter eggs I missed or just little
67:07
nuggets like I would like to watch it
67:09
again just to see what I missed now
67:12
story-wise sorry no don't you find it so
67:15
story wise were you expecting him and
67:17
bring back saralyn quite like this I
67:19
wasn't I thought that that story was
67:21
done I mean here's a thing and what I
67:24
like about this show is he's in therapy
67:26
so therapy you have to relive what
67:29
you've been through
67:29
and that has always weighed very heavily
67:33
on him right and I thought that maybe
67:35
they'd bring her back in his thoughts
67:37
like they do with his parents but I
67:39
didn't think that they would actually oh
67:41
but like the last episode of this half
67:44
of the season right was really surprised
67:46
by the turn it took I was really oh ok
67:48
so they're gonna get back into the whole
67:49
saralyn situation and Bojack might
67:51
actually face some consequences beyond
67:53
interpersonal consequences for what
67:55
happened with that and i thought that
67:56
was interesting and that's why i admire
67:58
is there a lot of feel-good even dark
68:01
movies or TV shows where you know this
68:03
guy is down and out or woman whatever
68:05
down out and by the end of it you know I
68:06
feel good about myself and everything's
68:08
good the world is great this show lets
68:10
you know that true to its vision of
68:14
being real is that even if you've moved
68:16
on mm-hmm not everyone has moved on with
68:19
you and not everyone who are close to
68:23
you or know you know everything you've
68:24
done and know it when you do it like you
68:27
know even Diane had to grapple with him
68:30
I forgot that girl's name penny Mexico
68:33
like she had to grapple with what he did
68:35
in season 5 kind of I mean I don't know
68:37
if they I don't think they because I
68:39
think that could have been the last
68:40
episode of this half - right I think
68:41
she's finally gonna figure out the full
68:43
truth of that and that's gonna be
68:44
interesting Diane and his sister and
68:46
these are people who were closest to him
68:48
what happens when you've kind of moved
68:51
on and you're trying to be a better
68:52
person
68:54
but you still your task at exactly so
68:56
yes yeah it's got to be interesting it's
68:59
it's such a compelling show it's really
69:01
well done yeah yeah I will say I'm super
69:04
tired of mr. peanut butter and pickles
69:06
I'm so tired of them I mean I get it and
69:10
I'm sure that's interesting to somebody
69:11
but uh move on
69:13
every time you shows up I'm just like oh
69:14
it's not being cheerful I mean I get
69:15
he's supposed to be a deconstruction of
69:16
exactly what you're talking about were
69:18
you know at the end of the character arc
69:19
everything's just great even if you kind
69:21
of did some bad stuff but Oh he's
69:23
annoyingly perky
69:24
hey man pickles although I'd the one
69:26
thing I do like about them is that one
69:28
thing I like about this show in general
69:30
and I think it's really well exemplified
69:31
with peanut butter and pickles is that
69:33
you know nobody a very wise friend said
69:37
to me years ago that the truth of a
69:39
relationship is always in between two
69:41
people nobody else sees that space and
69:44
you really do see that in this show yeah
69:46
because you really don't nobody else is
69:49
privy to that and that whole episode
69:50
where they're walking around having that
69:52
fight when he admits that he cheated on
69:54
her mmm it was really well done but all
69:56
of a sudden everybody else was privy to
69:57
that private space and between the two
69:58
of them and you really do see that in
70:00
relationships have a private nough stew
70:02
them that people don't that people take
70:03
for granted
70:04
totally mmm totally that episode
70:07
reminded me of the of the free churro
70:09
where it's just such a just a different
70:11
direction in the structure mm-hmm really
70:15
as you said just incredibly creative in
70:19
your sixth season mm-hmm you're just
70:21
that creative always these surprises
70:26
yeah free churros a masterpiece though
70:29
and I think that what's-his-name will
70:32
the voice of Bojack will arnett yeah
70:35
will arnett I think he's severely
70:37
underrated because he really does play
70:39
if it wasn't for the way he plays Bojack
70:41
so sincerely I don't know that the show
70:44
would be what it is I mean I think does
70:45
the voice cast as an extremely good job
70:47
overall but she's amazing
70:48
absolutely I thought Diane and lakita
70:52
Stansfield sorry I think it's weird that
70:58
his character the Buffalo and him have
71:00
the same hairdo but also I think I I
71:04
don't know I kind of
71:07
you were saying you really want to see
71:09
Princess Carolyne have a Redemption act
71:10
right I really want to see the Diane
71:13
have a Redemption arc in which she just
71:14
gets to be herself and had to have her
71:16
and her sense of self be dependent on
71:18
other people because that is constantly
71:20
her story she's trying to fight it
71:23
though I mean that she had her quote I
71:26
can't be with you hmm
71:28
if you're the only good thing in my life
71:29
that's too much pressure
71:31
I agree but then what does she do she
71:32
moves in with him like I just I get that
71:36
she's trying to break free of that but I
71:38
just really would like to see Diane have
71:40
some sort of to realize some of the
71:43
independence that she's so desperately
71:44
trying to express hmm okay yeah yeah I
71:48
really want her to win yeah I want Moll
71:51
to win yeah that's the thing even though
71:53
they're they do some really crappy
71:54
things but you still want everybody in
71:56
the show to win yeah and then that makes
72:00
you look at yourself right yeah we all
72:03
deserve love do we but which I did some
72:05
horrible things like we saw it all of it
72:07
and we're about to see it again from the
72:09
sounds of things yeah but yeah we still
72:12
want the best room mm-hmm
72:13
can we say the say the same for
72:15
ourselves it's like how this show went
72:17
from you know season 5 addressed it with
72:20
Philbert this show isn't here to make
72:24
people feel good about their shitty
72:25
behavior because that's kind of where it
72:27
was going ah you know life sucks but you
72:30
know
72:30
Bojack gets me and then see if I was
72:33
like yeah no we're not doing that in
72:35
fact we're going to we're going to rehab
72:37
yeah therapy yeah okay that's great you
72:40
know what I guess if I just go to
72:41
therapy and everything you know work out
72:43
I'll be great no I'm sorry actually
72:45
sometimes we do things that we can't
72:48
take back and you're gonna have to go to
72:50
therapy and you're also gonna have to
72:51
reckon reconcile with those things yeah
72:54
yeah the business of being human is
72:57
complicated and hard relationships are
72:59
hard
73:00
self-awareness is hard but I think I
73:04
like this show because it shows that all
73:06
of them are possible yes difficult but
73:09
possible yes and it might not look like
73:11
the idealized versions of those things
73:13
but you know they're still possible it
73:15
took a cartoon horse to tell us this
73:17
stuff yeah I know exactly yeah
73:22
so now that we've just introspected
73:24
ourselves into a whole thinking about
73:26
Bojack horseman i'm thinking about free
73:28
churro now and how just unexpected that
73:30
whole episode was fantastic mm-hmm
73:33
there was nothing with quite that that
73:36
way I'm feeling in this half of the
73:38
season but I'm wondering what they're
73:39
gonna do
73:40
I wonder how this is going to end you
73:42
know it's never it's not gonna tie up
73:44
neatly that's not how this show does but
73:46
it's gonna take us somewhere we don't
73:47
expect and I really am looking for it on
73:49
the side about them yeah what better way
73:51
start off a new year a new decade than
73:54
to examine regrets trauma and how to
73:58
possibly move on mm-hmm yeah looking
74:01
forward to it yeah yeah thing you'll say
74:05
yes moving on keep going talk about oh
74:09
no I think I'm good I think I'm good I
74:11
do you want to talk about anything else
74:12
no cuz I got to go home and edit this
74:14
thing okay all right Shaw what did you
74:18
all think about terminator dark fate
74:21
what you think about our review let us
74:23
know in the comments reviews etc what do
74:25
you think about the new episode of
74:27
Watchmen would you think about Bojack
74:28
horseman let us know thanks for
74:30
listening all the way through we know
74:32
it's been a lengthier one anyway yeah
74:37
you know I had a good time
74:38
Thank You Mel for coming thank you for
74:40
having me as always of course once again
74:43
we are blurred up find us on Facebook at
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74:54
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74:58
us there how do they find you leave
75:03
comments on the blurred up page on
75:04
Facebook that's the best way we're gonna
75:05
do the equal opportunity yeah yeah okay
75:07
yeah you're right I could talk about
75:09
that so I have a book still Graham slash
75:11
booktube slash book Facebook chatty page
75:14
thing called equal opportunity reader
75:17
just type that into the search bar equal
75:18
opportunity reader and you will find me
75:20
on all three of those platforms all I do
75:23
is talk about books all kinds of books
75:24
so if you like to read come find me
75:26
there
75:26
use copped a grip of xx Morrison books I
75:29
do yeah I did which was interesting I
75:32
don't know what I'm ever gonna read them
75:33
all again but
75:34
actually today's Halloween so can I just
75:36
talk about Tony Morrison for like two
75:39
sentences Tony Morrison
75:40
okay wrote beloved and everybody talks
75:43
about beloved because it won prizes and
75:45
it's this massive epic work about
75:49
slavery and trauma and the black
75:51
American experience etc etc but and it's
75:54
heart beloved as a ghost story beloved
75:55
is maybe my favorite car piece of horror
75:58
fiction because beloved is a ghost story
76:00
but love it is scary and people don't
76:03
ever talk about that because it isn't at
76:04
richer but no it's very scary so
76:06
interesting that in mind all right
76:08
mm-hmm because we're not gonna be able
76:11
to have a chance to do actual Halloween
76:12
special mm-hmm this year are there any
76:15
movies or episodes of shows that you
76:17
watch every year you know I didn't
76:20
really grow up celebrating Halloween so
76:21
no I think I usually try and read
76:23
something scary like Dracula Stein yeah
76:26
thanks okay I couldn't read something
76:31
scary like Dracula or Frankenstein or
76:32
beloved sure um but I don't really do
76:35
Halloween I think I've just Apollo me
76:38
maybe three times my whole life it's
76:39
just never been something I celebrated a
76:40
lot which is strange but I just never
76:42
did yeah what about you I'm a big The
76:47
Crow fan I think it's one of the more
76:51
underrated comic book adaptations the
76:55
soundtrack is great and it takes place
76:57
on Halloween so I I tend to watch that
76:59
and kind of revisit the soundtrack
77:01
around this time I actually put out it's
77:03
not related but you know I'm a DJ and I
77:05
put out a mix that you can find if you
77:07
wish
77:08
it's called into the dark by false face
77:10
in this little I kind of created a short
77:12
story through music of a my of a
77:15
personal journey I had years ago into a
77:17
kadar k-- a dark kind of state of mind
77:20
yeah so I revisit that I tend to watch I
77:25
don't really revisit things anymore I
77:27
tend to Google that's how films and I
77:29
try to watch new ones typically I watch
77:32
them kind of after Halloween like
77:34
November's like last year I watched
77:36
Rosemary's Baby for the first time Wow
77:38
and God what else did I watch I was
77:41
watching at least three or four new
77:43
movies like after Halloween see what you
77:47
don't know and what are put up listener
77:48
also don't know is that I am made
77:49
chicken that's why I don't watch movies
77:52
okay I attempted to watch the autopsy of
77:55
Jane Doe about a week ago
77:56
okay and I watched I got it like 15
77:58
minutes into it and I was like yeah this
77:59
is fun I wonder what cartoons netflix
78:01
has changing so I really so that's part
78:04
of why I don't really do horror films
78:06
really a chicken but yeah that sounds
78:10
interesting
78:10
yeah so you saw Rosemary's Baby for the
78:12
first time last year you should totally
78:13
post the link to your mixtape on the
78:16
blur top page I think people would be
78:17
interested in hearing it I'm hearing it
78:19
sure
78:19
I also what I want to finish resin Evil
78:23
2 came out earlier this year and it's
78:26
probably the ski risque ever made I've
78:29
been terrified to play it even in broad
78:30
daylight I've had folks over mic I can't
78:32
I can't do this woah come over Wow come
78:37
over you know I'm saying it's terrifying
78:39
really terrifying so I want to try and
78:42
finish this before the end of next month
78:44
checking with me see if I all right
78:49
would you like to give our tag our lead
78:51
out information one more time
78:53
no okay I'm lazy all right should I do
78:56
it I don't even know it do i peace y'all
78:59
yeah bye happy Halloween happy Halloween 

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