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mm-hmm I am your host Brendon and I'm
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joined by Mel hello blurt up blurred up
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a long time has been yeah I've been here
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for a minute
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for like a month or so I've been busy
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yeah you've been out conferencing yeah
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I've been going a little bit how was
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that for you it was really good
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I've never been there before and it's a
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really comfortable city really laid-back
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I've heard good things lots of
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interesting stuff to do there yeah my
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only interaction with Fukuoka was in
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Shenmue the Dreamcast oh really
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yeah thank you nope not a gamer remember
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I only play like old PC stuff right
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right right it was like one of the first
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like breakthrough open-world games
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mm-hmm but time is short yes I could I
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could do a whole podcast one show no
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okay was sorry just for clarification
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Shenmue was the game yes Lucas the
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location yes oh wow okay cool that was
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great
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you said it was it was awesome it's to
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go to windows like onsen like strip it
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was a short short trip so I didn't get a
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chance to do that that's too bad did
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walk around a couple temples and I went
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to a thing called the polyglot
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conference if you've ever heard of that
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race a gathering of people who can speak
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multiple languages and who are dedicated
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to learning language and engaging with
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different cultures and this is my first
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time going it was an amazing experience
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if you are a multilingual or an aspiring
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multilingual look it up online and go if
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you get a chance they said there is
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there is a increased presence of
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blackness there there was this was my
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first time going actually so I was and I
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but I've been to other a polyglot events
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and polyglot meetup so there's usually a
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few of us in the crowd but this time I
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happened to meet a couple of black
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people from all over the Diaspora a guy
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from Brazil another a black American
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lady there were quite a few of us
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represented
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both in absentia and in person which was
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cool that's really cool yeah yeah it was
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a really good experience if you are into
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languages look it up if you are into
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languages and want to be around other
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black people who do languages check out
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my friends Facebook page multilingual
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black American Foundation it's got a lot
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of resources for language learning
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through a black cultural lens
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ah that's our catchphrase isn't it dad
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you've got a bell ding ding okay
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speaking of globe-trotting mm-hmm today
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we're gonna talk about that new Star
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Wars trailer yeah and we're gonna talk
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about this new surprisingly blackity
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black watchman Joe oh my god so we're
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gonna start off with the Star Wars
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trailer because everyone should have
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seen that it's easy to see we're gonna
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give our thoughts and maybe even some
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predictions what will happen in the
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movie and then we're going to get into
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the suppose with Watchmen mm-hmm so
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let's get started with the rise of
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Skywalker the final trailer mm-hmm well
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we were general thoughts about it okay
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we only expect good because that's what
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you so now look original
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old-school of Star Wars a new hope is
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legit my favorite movie of all time okay
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I have an unreasonable love for them not
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not Empire okay Empire as an adult
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that's the one that I like to rewatch
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the most but just as far as like the
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perfect marriage of nostalgia and
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enjoyment it's a new hope okay that I
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love that movie okay to a ridiculous
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amount I think I have several copies of
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that movie in different formats that's
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how much I love it and half the movie
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memorized okay
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I really love Star Wars however I
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watched this trailer three times and I
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could not tell you what was going on in
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it I was so like just not into it okay I
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think it's because I was so disappointed
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by the previous film hmm but I'm really
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just kind of expecting great visuals and
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no real resolutions or interesting bits
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to the story or anything really
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innovative I struggled
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in the words of the coolest black
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fictional character on screen Morpheus I
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know exactly what you mean good I was
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expecting you to spit flames at me for
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that I'm glad it wasn't just me oh my
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gosh all for me the force awakens
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trailer led us to believe that there
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would be a new hope figuratively
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mmm-hmm but it was just a new hope
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literally yeah
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and then the last Jedi trailer led us to
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believe that change was on the way but
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that change was super wack yeah like it
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looked pretty though it did but that was
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all but this new trailer really feels
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like a Return of the Jedi rehash and
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they're not even trying to hide it yeah
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yeah when you say it that way I think
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you probably right yeah like I'm with
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you like I'm just bored I'm a huge Star
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Wars fan i watch the originals Empire is
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when my favorite movies of all time but
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I just think have you watched the TV
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shows bits of them I haven't had a
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chance to really get deep into them but
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yeah I've watched some they are
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incredible
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the TV shows that Clone Wars and rebels
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have done such a great job of fleshing
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out characters and marks and worlds that
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these movies now just continuously feel
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lacking in comparison right and I think
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part of it is that so when you look back
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at all to the first trilogy on star wars
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that the first trilogy chronologically
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speaking not narrative Lee speaking when
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you look back at that trilogy what they
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did was really innovative like you had
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never seen large-scale space battles
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right extreme before you had it was they
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took all of the old hokey tropes of the
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well-made play and turned it into a
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science fiction epic and you really
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hadn't ever seen that before they looked
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at good versus evil in like this kind of
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I don't know this sort of postmodern
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sort of fantasy world and you guys never
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really had a hit movie like that before
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but none of that innovation is present
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in the current Star Wars films yeah the
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movies really didn't grow with they
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didn't exactly they're not really doing
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anything new anymore
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and even okay the second trilogy
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chronologically speaking not narrative
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Lee the second trilogy isn't good but it
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had a lot of potential yeah you can
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retell those stories a lot and it did
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give rise to the Clone Wars series and
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the other what's the name of the other
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series rebels rebels yeah which from
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what I've seen I haven't watched them
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all but some I've seen they're really
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good and we wouldn't have had those
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really if you like Star Wars if you love
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they are the best stories of the Canon
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so far to me interesting
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they're amazing amazing all of them I
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mean wow but the problem but my point
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ultimately is that even though the
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second trilogy is not great it was still
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trying to be innovative and in some ways
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it still was I mean you had full CGI
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characters on screen you had a lot of
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kind of new filmmaking stuff going on
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even though the narrative was lacking
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even the choreography yeah the fight
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choreography all of that yeah but now
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this third series I don't know what
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they're doing that hasn't been done
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before and they're not even telling a
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good story to go with it right
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yeah I'd agree and it's bad because
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they're doing so many things that if we
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had had a if we had had a black
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stormtrooper turned protagonists in the
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first trilogy oh my goodness
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six-year-old me would not have survived
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to be a detective right now I beat it it
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would have died on the spot oh my gosh
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right so there's all these interesting
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things that they're doing but they're
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just not backing it up with anything
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it's just all smoke and mirrors
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I agree it's like for for some
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properties we lament condensing TV shows
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into movies because they they often lose
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something in the process or books and to
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move the process but it's like Star Wars
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went from movies to TV shows and because
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they produced the best stories in that
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format it's hard to go back to this kind
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of basic trilogy format because as you
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said there's just a lot that you could
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get out of it but they're just throwing
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out for the visuals or symbolism it's a
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woman doing it now exactly yeah well
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yeah that's nice but what is she
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actually doing right and the other thing
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that's exactly you have a really good
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point because it's the basic trilogy
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format doesn't work if you're going to
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go back to
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basic trilogy you've got to do something
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fresh and amazing right you can't do
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like you can't do like the sixth-grade
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coloring book I think I'm gonna paint it
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black because it's funny kind of thing
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that's not cool yeah all right it's just
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boring so yeah I mean even Hollywood
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itself has gotten out of it right I mean
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even Harry Potter had a part two to its
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story like don't be a slave yeah so
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let's get to the app to the actual
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trilogy and our predictions
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sorry quickly running back did I say a
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sixth grade coloring book clearly I was
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in sixth grade apologies that was a
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horrible metaphor I mean we have adult
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coin books now that can be something in
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between yeah I guess if there are sixth
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grade coloring books somebody let me
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know oh my gosh anyway did you read any
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of the books the e yes okay the extended
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universe yeah tons of them but none of
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them are canon anymore because of this
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new trilogy which they could have
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adapted it would have been dope and I
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want to get to that because when I saw
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the trailer I thought of two stories
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specifically okay and I don't know if
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you thought of any did anything called
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top after head I didn't I was so busy
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trying to concentrate on the actual
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trailer I'm hearing out of it yeah
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basically that I couldn't really make
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any association reference associations
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that's it
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okay you know was weird to me in that
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trailer when Ray was like everyone
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thinks they know me we don't know but
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nobody does you're right who are you yes
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really
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it's like from a new hole we knew who
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Luke was you know like now if the gate
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we knew who everybody was everybody
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stood yeah I mean he was like he came
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out the gate I want to get the power
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converters to hacci station he's a dork
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and but he's somehow the master of the
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universe
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okay great sure why not yeah exactly but
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you know there's this is what I mean
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though if you're gonna use those tropes
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you got to use them oh and if you're not
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gonna use those Trump's you've got to
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build a new one right and they didn't do
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either of those she's just like nobody
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knows me we're like yeah why are you
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here yeah cuz I'm a woman okay anyway
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okay let's go to so my first story is
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the dark in Peyer story do you even read
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that like dark so dark
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horse comic from the early 90s refresh
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my memory okay so dark Empire takes
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place six years after the Battle of
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Endor there are these new weapons called
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world devastators that were introduced
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in the story and some say they are worse
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in the Death Star they essentially land
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on planets and they use strong
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specialized tractor beams to tear
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resources from the planet to fuel the
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ship itself or use the resources to make
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new ships and weapons within its
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molecular furnace the tearing of the
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planet itself could kill the planet
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completely so it didn't like blow it up
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but it would just tear it apart
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yeah yeah I vaguely remember this one I
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don't think I actually read it but I
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think I read because it was like a
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really long weirdly long run for a Dark
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Horse comic wasn't it I think it was it
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was a two or three parter really okay
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then maybe I'm thinking something
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different but anyway okay the relevant
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part here hmm is that Palpatine mm-hmm
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had been cloning himself for many years
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in order to attempt to rule forever he
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had been transferring his mind and
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consciousness into new bodies and in
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this story
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Luke was seduced by his power and
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charisma and became his apprentice for a
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short time okay I do remember this yes
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okay and then it was a graph yeah yeah
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okay yeah it wasn't a book book yeah it
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wasn't a comic book yeah
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and he used the talk you know being by
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my side is your destiny and birth right
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and I feel like because we know
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Palpatine's in this new movie in some
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capacity he may he may be a clone and he
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may say the same kind of thing to kylo
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and part of the story from dark empire
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was Papa teen was wanting to inhabit lay
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his unborn child Anakin as his next
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vessel so in this story he might want to
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kind of groom kylo and raise his level
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up but also try to inhabit him mm-hmm
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this time yeah okay
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yeah that would be an interesting way to
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explain Snoke because he's another one
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who we never really know anything about
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him right yeah he's just sort of they're
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grooming kylo for what we don't know
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yeah it's interesting I feel like kylo
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Ren is such a waste of character
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absolutely I thought it was a stroke of
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genius to make the villain of this new
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trilogy kind of this sort of whiny
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pardon me this my Andy put upon white
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boy like I really thought that was a
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stroke of genius to do that you know
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somebody who's convinced that he's got
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to be special but maybe isn't yeah but
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maybe is but maybe isn't you know like I
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thought that was a stroke of genius to
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make him the villain but they just
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haven't really done anything with him
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and something like that would really be
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good yeah and you remember from returned
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the Jedi when Vader through Power Team
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two the two that like down down the down
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the hall to kill him there's a big
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energy blast yeah and so I wonder if
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they may reckoned of to say that was his
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consciousness or spirit like leaving his
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body to go to another clone yeah okay
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that's a great theory but I'm gonna say
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this probably more than once in this
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podcast I'm sure that's a better idea
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than what they've actually got like it
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always seriously the amount of like
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amazing fan theories about the star war
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the most recent Star Wars movies
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compared to what we actually get we're
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putting way more effort into this than
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the screenwriters did I promise you that
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is a good point - okay this leads to my
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second EU story that I think could be
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adapted in some way into the story and
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that is the jedi academy trilogy by
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kevin anderson yes okay that one i know
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yes and that would be dope again it'd be
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nice but here i out it okay okay i think
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i think this could happen okay so for
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those who don't know jedi academy i
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believe it takes place I want to say
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seven or eight years after they were
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pretty quick yeah I want to say seven
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years Luke looks for new students to
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rebuild the Jedi Academy on yabin for
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where they first had their first fight
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against the Death Star he finds a
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student called Kip Durant or Han Solo
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brings Kip drawn to him and he has
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incredible force sensitivity he doesn't
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come from force-sensitive parents but
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his potential appears to be on the level
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of the greatest of Jedi Masters just
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like right sorry
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most of kylo Ren again sorry ray yep Kip
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gets corrupted by the spirit of one of
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the greatest Sith Lords in history named
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Exar Kun who created the infamous
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double-edged lightsaber okay which I
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predicted am I in the show last year
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that Ray was gonna wield in this movie
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and you know actually you might be on to
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something here boy good man again
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again though I think you're putting a
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lot more work into this than the I mean
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we should have written the movie but
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keep going anyway Exar Kun wanted to
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change luke's pupils into his own force
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wielding army in the new trailer
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Palpatine's quote they're coming
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together will be their undoing
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and so maybe he wants the knights of ren
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to join whoever ray gathers to become
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his own personal force army and reclaim
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the galaxy in that way maybe he's not
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bending the rule of two and he wants his
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own kind of army now true but it seems
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like he was going to abandon the rule of
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two no matter what well he was you know
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he was training different people he was
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training Margie Luke's wife even Vader
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was training folks too yeah exactly
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the story of a sith seducing when a
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luke's most prized students has already
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played out between Episode six and seven
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with kylo and Snoke so I don't think
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they're gonna really lean into that kind
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of seduction but trying to get him to
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work under getting kylo to work under
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him bring ray to me they all just kind
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of mmm take it over
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yeah yeah it's a good idea but okay it
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would work but they would need excellent
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writers to pull it off and to pull it
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out of where the last film ended right
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they haven't set up any of that really
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yeah I mean they set up anything yeah
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exactly so it could go anywhere and I
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hope it goes in a good direction I I
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don't have I don't have a lot of faith
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the force is not strong within me but
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yeah yeah I mean I'm gonna go see it
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yeah yeah I just don't have and you know
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part of it is that you know Star Wars is
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ultimately I guess
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this point meant to be a kid's film
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which is fine but that doesn't mean it
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has to be a bad film and I think people
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forget that yeah people kind of just
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dismiss it it's just a movie about
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wizards and laser swords would expect
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like you know it I mean I got in Peyer
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Strikes Back so yeah I expect greatness
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exactly so I just want to just really
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quick I mentioned the the world
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devastators in the previous story and of
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course we have to kind of up the ante
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for these for these movies not just a
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sit threat but an external like
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weaponized threat and so and Jedi
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Academy the weapon was the Sun crusher
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which used special missiles that went
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into the heart or the core of stars and
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make them explode destroying whole solar
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systems I mean it was it was a brutal
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weapon and it was indestructible it was
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like a tie it was like as small as an
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x-wing yeah I remember indestructible
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yeah how did they actually defeat that
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though I forgot that part
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I think they blew it up from the inside
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like oh yeah keep drawing became a good
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guy again and yeah I mean he liked yeah
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he basically rogue one did yeah what was
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cool was they actually for storage they
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just forced push it into the heart of a
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star and then they then when he became
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dark he pulled it out with the help of
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yeah yeah yeah I mean it's all a
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possibility however let's be real
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given the trailer that we saw mm-hmm
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these are great ideas but I don't think
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that's where it's going I think we're
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setting ourselves up to a disappointment
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I think what we should be expecting is a
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lot of norm a serviceable story because
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this is really the end of an era it's
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the end of a George Lucas always said in
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the beginning you wanted to do nine
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movies this is the ninth movie and we
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made it
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so there it's gonna be decent I think
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but we're gonna get a lot of norm a lot
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of c-3po I'm looking at all of my
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friends a lot of that oh that was oh
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okay mmm-hmm yeah I know that hit some
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people but it I was kind of yeah I just
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feel like they're just it feels cynical
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at this point it does they're just kind
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of doing what's gonna get kids to bite
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blood sincere yeah okay butts in seats
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and get kids to buy Happy Meal toys
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really yeah
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it's it's just blatant motion like the
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stakes aren't high enough or as well or
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well-developed enough for it to really
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be impactful not anymore not anymore
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yeah I mean okay in is it the impact yes
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and the Empire Strikes Back that bit
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where c-3po like walks into somewhere in
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Cloud City and gets his arms pulled off
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and he's just like a body stopped his
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Chuy's back that was devastating to me
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yeah because I was a little kid at the
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time but even now as an adult I'm like
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oh god they took his arms and his legs
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I'm just upset because the stakes are
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high you care about these characters
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even though they are ridiculous
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a giant bookie what is a Wookiee and a
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robot with a British accent and universe
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where there's no British people anymore
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yeah yeah well yeah but where's Britain
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at this point in time really I mean why
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do why do some people have British
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accents - people why do they speak
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English period why does nobody have a
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Nigerian accent why don't black women
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exist in space yet oh oh we're getting
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there okay yes good let's get there okay
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let's get there so let's talk about my
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man Finn with his like twist he's in his
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hair now oh yeah so are they gonna give
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him an actual story or is he just gonna
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be chasing around a woman again well the
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previous trailer had a black woman in
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the trailer and so I'm so I'm wondering
21:15
now like he's hit you haven't seen black
21:17
hair stylized and this in this universe
21:20
until a black woman showed up because
21:22
Lando was all you know land OE and fin
21:25
whale and goes back and that's exciting
21:27
maybe I hope so I mean I want to be
21:29
excited but again I'm sure it's gonna be
21:31
some ridiculous everything just feel
21:33
cynical it does yeah let's just get more
21:35
of these old folks in the seats
21:37
oh they remember that and they're to be
21:41
sad
21:43
right and their kids will be sad because
21:45
the robot dies whatever yeah I want talk
21:49
about some of the imagery in the trailer
21:51
with Ray and kylo I feel like when they
21:54
were fighting a lot of those scenes were
21:56
dreams or dreamlike constructs of them
21:59
either dreaming alone or being connected
22:01
like they were in last should I doing
22:03
the the force led the force powered
22:05
Skype calls yes for Skype yeah that was
22:09
such a weird construct I don't think
22:10
that was as appealing as the director
22:12
intended it to be because we like the
22:14
first time it happens there's that whole
22:16
bit where you know like kylo Ren there's
22:18
there I think he's trying to set up some
22:21
sort of like romantic sexual tension
22:23
between the two of them but the fact
22:24
that dude is built like a refrigerator
22:25
with a q-tip head did not make that as
22:27
appealing as I think they wanted it to
22:29
be the whole time I'm just like what is
22:32
direct your choice choice just him wear
22:37
his clothes and say something
22:38
interesting
22:39
why is he so oily it'd be like cuz cocoa
22:42
butter exists in space
22:43
maybe like you're like like a sex chat
22:47
and he has a great voice right hello how
22:49
you doing and you're like you know what
22:51
I want to meet this guy in person hey
22:53
what when you get off work I get off in
22:56
an hour come by and you show up and
23:00
you're like oh wow that yeah does not
23:03
match Brenton is your grandma still
23:05
asleep with this podcast no yeah not
23:08
this one well I've seen you bad words
23:11
this is true right yeah cool but yeah I
23:14
just in the trailer I felt like they
23:17
were going through like a greatest hits
23:18
of places from the original trilogy the
23:23
emperor's throne room was clear to see
23:24
they were kind of just standing in there
23:26
and is a possible fat to happen because
23:30
the Death Star exploded right so like
23:32
how could it just randomly fall to
23:33
endure intact right is there anything
23:36
else you want to say before we move on
23:37
not really I mean I have very low
23:39
expectations I'm hoping that I will go
23:41
into this movie and then when we blurred
23:43
up this this retrospectively I'll be
23:45
talking about how awesome it was but I
23:47
don't think that's gonna happen and it
23:49
makes me sad because I still love Star
23:51
Wars
23:52
yeah I'm still gonna love Star Wars I'm
23:54
just not going to ever purchase the
23:56
particular films I'm just excited for
23:58
you to actually finally watch those
23:59
shows and just fall in love with new
24:03
stories and new characters as much part
24:04
of but not rebels the other Clone Wars
24:09
but I have never had time to sit and
24:11
watch the whole thing highly recommend
24:13
it just the way that Anakin and obi-wan
24:14
their banter like they're actually like
24:17
yeah there's yes I mean though basically
24:19
it's what the second trilogy should have
24:22
been yes and I think so from what I saw
24:24
like it's definitely I think we have
24:27
that second trilogy to thank for these
24:29
shows which I which is why I'm not like
24:31
earned the witch but for these final
24:33
three I'm just like there is no what's
24:36
then what's this new one called there is
24:38
no rise of Skywalker only Zuul I can't
24:40
do it so like we're just not doing it
24:42
it's just you know the other showed his
24:46
had kind of uh overseer kind of sort of
24:50
like I want how I want this to be done
24:52
whereas we've had two different
24:53
directors right you know right Joss was
24:56
kind of like fuck this I'm just gonna do
24:58
my own thing so yeah as you said like
25:00
they didn't set up anything so I just I
25:02
just have no expectations for this me
25:03
neither and I also think that the fact
25:05
that they are going it's going to make a
25:08
moons worth of money no matter what so I
25:11
think that also impedes the quality
25:13
control of it so if you look at the
25:14
first trilogy George Luke and like the
25:16
way that those were made if you watch
25:17
any of those documentaries or reading a
25:19
read any of those books yeah
25:21
George Lucas had a lot of really stupid
25:24
ideas but the fact that he had people
25:26
from the studio around him like maybe
25:27
you don't want to do that rethink this
25:29
rewrite it make it better for the story
25:32
he had that and that was why those
25:34
movies were so good
25:36
the fact that the first two movies made
25:38
so much money is why the third one is
25:41
kind of like he works for real but
25:45
that's because at that point they were
25:46
making money so the reins were loosened
25:48
a little bit but there were still there
25:50
was still that nervousness like is this
25:52
gonna work is this not gonna work let's
25:53
have ten people let's let's draft this a
25:56
lot and really work out the kinks but
25:57
that doesn't exist anymore for this
25:59
franchise so cuz it just prints money
26:01
exactly no matter what I mean it like I
26:03
said I'm gonna see it I'm 99% sure it'll
26:06
be terrible and I'll be disappointed but
26:07
I'm still gonna spend my money on it so
26:09
I'm part of the
26:09
problem really it's so sad that were at
26:11
this point for Star Wars it is but yeah
26:14
I I quickly agree then he got totally
26:16
free reign for the the trilogy and then
26:18
out came the medic lorian's but it's
26:21
interesting Empire wasn't even directed
26:23
by him right
26:23
so well write your best movies not even
26:25
directed by by the Creator really even
26:28
written by him because the drafting
26:30
right yeah true well okay let us know
26:34
what you think of the new Star Wars
26:36
trailer do you think my predictions or
26:38
my theories are crazy they probably are
26:40
but who knows let us know yeah somewhere
26:44
at Rian Johnson's listening to this like
26:46
crap can be recut it we can we cut it
26:47
have you seen the the recut of last Jedi
26:50
no I haven't there's a there's a reek
26:52
there's a reddit it's called the Fallen
26:55
Knight and they cut out that Casino
26:58
canto byte stuff ah that's a good move
27:00
and they cut out some other stuff and of
27:04
course because it's not the original
27:07
there is no movie there are some things
27:09
that kind of go make sense if
27:11
something's aren't there mm-hmm
27:12
but it actually makes it for a better
27:15
experience for me I actually rewatched
27:17
it maybe a year after the last Jedi came
27:22
out and actually enjoyed the movie a
27:24
little better so interesting I'll have
27:26
to look that up I didn't know it existed
27:27
but if it takes off the casino scenes
27:29
then hey I'm there oh that was just lets
27:32
take yeah the only people of color and
27:34
set them on a random stupid mission to
27:38
save space horses so that our nice white
27:40
space liberals can do all the real
27:41
fighting boo let's make the black
27:45
character a coward again and an idiot an
27:48
idiot in a coward again so always a
27:52
woman tasting some woman constantly well
27:54
no no it wasn't it wasn't no the woman
27:55
was chasing him remember a was kind of
27:57
like oh you're from the resistance
27:58
that's so cool oh yeah yeah it's me oh
28:00
wait I'm a coward no you're you're Finn
28:03
I'm this Asian lady who's like pawnee
28:06
after you yeah it's me oh wait you're a
28:08
coward it's like oh my god like and
28:10
again just the existence just the
28:12
presence of these actors in this
28:13
franchise just a waste just such a way
28:16
such a waste it's so just so sad because
28:19
they should have been awesome and I
28:20
would be mad if I was them because this
28:21
is an amazing opportunity and it was
28:23
used on BS you know Oh girl like quitter
28:26
social media over this yes exactly and
28:29
it said that we feel like this because
28:30
honestly the backlash is received for
28:32
completely unrelated reasons because
28:34
they have a black lead an Asian lead
28:37
because they have women doing stuff that
28:39
are that doesn't involve kitchens we're
28:40
wearing a gold bikini is just ridiculous
28:43
I mean they've gotten so much backlash
28:45
for stupid reasons that it's sad that it
28:47
also gets backlash for negative reasons
28:49
- I'm a big fan of the idea that we are
28:52
entitled to mediocrity as well as
28:54
excellence however I feel like if it's
28:56
Star Wars and you're doing these new
28:58
things to make it more legit for all of
29:01
the fans who didn't feel represented in
29:03
the first trilogy or in the second
29:06
trilogy even you've got to make it
29:08
excellent you can't hand her to us and
29:10
that makes me upset yeah
29:12
as they pander and didn't tell us a good
29:13
story with all of these innovative
29:15
things that they did I don't think I'll
29:17
ever forgive them for making me believe
29:18
that finn was gonna be a Jedi I don't
29:20
think I can ever let that go never I was
29:24
pissed I'm sure I was just annoyed with
29:28
how nothing his character is there's
29:30
really nothing to him he comes from
29:31
nowhere he's going nowhere he's just
29:33
kind of he's comic relief without being
29:36
funny yeah okay
29:38
reckoning win at least Han Solo was like
29:40
a general by like Empire Strikes Back
29:42
right exactly
29:43
it's like what is Finn just a dude
29:45
exactly where's rey right like what is
29:48
poe whoever whoever to be fair though
29:50
this is part of why I liked rogue one so
29:53
much because I think that it did it
29:55
right yes it pulled a very diverse cast
29:57
and a very diverse story and told us a
30:00
story that we kind of already knew but
30:02
it was the it's the only Star Wars film
30:04
so far in my opinion that's done
30:06
diversity right yeah anyway okay okay
30:11
let's flip the track let's go on to
30:14
Watchmen which I think will have a
30:16
complete opposite thing to second oh yes
30:20
I'm from Star Wars okay y'all will be
30:24
very brief this first episode was
30:27
awesome amazing I was expecting it to be
30:31
lame I'm I don't feel about Watchmen the
30:34
same way I feel about Star Wars but I
30:36
loved that
30:37
and I was annoyed with the film because
30:40
they tried to do a frame-by-frame
30:41
recreation then they totally changed the
30:43
ending and it just wasn't really well
30:46
done in a lot of ways so I wasn't
30:48
expecting a lot but this this hour of TV
30:51
really blew my hair back I watched the
30:54
movie before I read the book so I
30:55
actually kind of liked the movie more
30:57
than the book but watching again I
31:00
realized that yeah it's kind of slow and
31:02
I'm bored
31:02
but when I saw the trailer for this I
31:05
was like this looks different I wasn't I
31:08
didn't expect anything to be bad but I
31:10
was very curious and this did not
31:13
disappoint it exceeded all expectations
31:15
they really did from the first 30
31:18
seconds you are sucked in to this and
31:21
this is exactly what the comic but the
31:23
book did the graphic novel did it sucks
31:24
you into this bizarro America it makes
31:27
it seem completely real and even though
31:30
things are not what you're expecting it
31:32
they're all they all seem legit you're
31:33
really immersed in this world yes and
31:35
that's what this TV show does from the
31:37
first 30 seconds you are just in it like
31:39
you are living in this place with these
31:41
people for the hour okay I'm okay
31:43
general journal stuffs out all right
31:45
okay go watch this if you haven't seen
31:48
it if you don't care hang around we're
31:51
gonna yeah dig into it but definitely
31:53
watch it I it's been a minute since I
31:55
saw a TV show her I'm like I am so
31:57
excited for the next episode but yeah
31:59
I'm so excited for the next episode yeah
32:01
I almost want to just wait binge but I
32:03
don't want that to get spoiled for me so
32:04
I will be there every every every
32:07
premiere okay boys here we go three two
32:13
one okay the opening ten minutes yes
32:19
have you ever listened to Lupe Fiasco's
32:21
mural yeah I'm your old jr. you know for
32:25
those who don't know Lupe Fiasco he
32:27
starts rapping just kinda just kind of
32:29
freestyle about just something happening
32:31
and with with such amazing imagery and
32:35
true to the title it widens out into
32:38
this beautiful picture and that's how I
32:41
felt about this opening it wasn't all
32:44
that beautiful but yes it was definitely
32:47
compelling yes I mean my eyes were wide
32:50
for like ten minutes
32:51
would not take my eyes away right and I
32:53
think maybe you and I maybe feel
32:55
similarly about this but it's kind of
32:57
the whole black oppression narratives
33:00
black struggle narratives black pain
33:02
narratives are difficult to watch at
33:05
this point in time you had so many of
33:07
them and there's not a lot of redemption
33:08
arcs with them so it can be a little
33:11
tiresome to just sort of watch pain and
33:14
murder and death and oppression over and
33:16
over and over again yeah
33:17
but the way that they so the 1921 Tulsa
33:20
bombings yeah Tulsa bombings awesome
33:23
Massacre story I don't know it was
33:26
included it was a lot of it's caused a
33:28
lot of massacres but it was it was a
33:31
real thing that happened I've never seen
33:33
it depicted on film or in any art before
33:36
and the fact that they just went with it
33:40
so boldly and so naked Lee and so
33:43
unflinchingly was incredible for me like
33:47
it was just compelling to watch because
33:49
it wasn't done with an eye to
33:52
exploitation it wasn't done with like
33:56
that over a moat like nobody like ran
33:58
out in the middle and started singing a
33:59
spiritual my brother nobody did that it
34:02
was just showing that these people were
34:04
just minding their business and
34:06
terrorists came yeah and that's the way
34:09
that it was a portrayed was just amazing
34:11
is just before we got there the black
34:14
and white film about bass bass Reeves
34:18
bass Reeves bass Reeves for those who
34:20
don't know and apparently there's a
34:22
funny article from Atlanta black star
34:24
about there's so many white folks
34:26
googling bass Reeves and it sold in
34:28
Tulsa 1921 because they didn't had they
34:30
didn't know about it yeah a lot of
34:31
people watch that and think it there's
34:33
no way it could be real but this is a
34:34
real part of our history and you should
34:36
know that bass views is a real life
34:38
figure he was the first black deputy
34:40
u.s. marshal west of the Mississippi he
34:43
is credited with 3,000 arrests and
34:45
killed 14 people in self-defense
34:48
apparently after his slave master took
34:51
him with him to the into the Confederate
34:54
Army bass beat his ass and became a
34:56
fugitive slave among Native Americans
34:59
like dude is a badass
35:01
I'm looking forward to hearing him in
35:03
rap lyrics next year right but yeah you
35:07
know you watching this violent film and
35:09
you don't even know that this black
35:10
hooded figure was black he stops in
35:13
front of an all-white church and the
35:15
congregation comes out and he reveals
35:16
who he is and you're thinking oh fuck
35:17
he's he's dead uh-huh but this little
35:21
boy is excited for this black dude with
35:22
this amazing
35:24
Yosemite Sam mustache and everyone
35:26
cheers then you cut to this empty
35:28
theater and it's like this black boys
35:30
sitting there memorizing the lines
35:31
you're like wow what is this yeah it's
35:34
the first black superhero movie that was
35:35
that was 1921 Black Panther yes yeah and
35:38
then you have this black woman playing
35:40
piano and then you see that she's crying
35:42
why is she crying and then you hear the
35:44
booms from outside and it is the show
35:46
just keeps pulling back and then the
35:49
figure enters with the gun you're like
35:50
oh she was gonna happen
35:52
then he gives it to his I guess assumed
35:53
wife and she's like let's do this and
35:56
then they take the boy out and to this
35:57
madness and that's and that's where you
35:59
were yes and the whole time you're
36:01
watching it because you know this is
36:02
Watchmen and even though this is a real
36:04
piece of history it's part of this
36:06
alternate America like kind of this this
36:09
the speculative speculative fiction
36:10
piece the whole time I'm waiting I'm
36:13
like where's our black superhero is bass
36:15
Reeves coming like what's happening here
36:17
and he never comes yeah yeah it's it's
36:22
really something it like I said I'm
36:25
tired of seeing black pain and black
36:26
oppression being exploited on film but I
36:29
didn't feel like this was exploitive I
36:31
felt like this was a finger pointed yeah
36:33
and I dug it seen the parents lied to
36:38
their kid heartbreaking and then they he
36:40
sees them presumably get blown up mm-hmm
36:43
how that baby survived after whatever
36:45
happened to it like kind of getting out
36:47
that mm-hmm
36:48
how did he survive I mean you know I
36:49
don't know like that was kind of good
36:50
but whatever my other question is who is
36:54
that baby now I'm pretty sure I know who
36:56
that little boy is but who is that baby
36:57
now yeah mmm the boy yes I'm pretty sure
37:02
I know who that little boy is I'm with
37:03
I'm with you in there yeah so yeah then
37:07
the transition from the boy walking down
37:10
the street to a car going down the
37:12
street mm-hmm today's time listen
37:14
trap and you're like yeah well it's
37:16
obviously a black person now yeah but
37:18
it's like no it's a white dude you stop
37:20
by a black cop just the stuff that they
37:23
do with this
37:24
ah and it's funny because it's such a
37:26
good sorry Marge - the way that the that
37:30
the comic book worked where you'd have
37:31
somebody saying something in one frame
37:34
but the frame would be like you'd see a
37:36
picture that was the end of one thread
37:39
of the story yeah but the text would be
37:41
part of the next part that you're
37:43
transitioning - yeah and that's exactly
37:45
what they did all through this pot this
37:46
pilot it's not a pilot I guess first
37:48
episode all through this first episode
37:50
and it was really well done the
37:52
transitions were so seamless like you
37:54
really are just in the world you're just
37:55
constantly watching to see what's coming
37:57
next like the one where it was it was
37:59
like nighttime with like stars and then
38:01
it changed into like asphalt my first
38:04
seamless yeah just sort of slow his hand
38:06
and revolved in the gorgeous
38:08
cinematography yes yeah so yeah the cop
38:14
he retreats to his car and where we get
38:16
our first bit of world-building there
38:18
the cosmos asks to get permission to use
38:20
their guns yep and they're all wearing
38:21
masks so the guy asked if he could see
38:23
the cops face and it's like all this
38:25
aggro yeah he's like oh I'm sorry I'm
38:27
sorry I'm sorry yeah yeah you know what
38:31
a difference that could be in real life
38:33
to be able to like cops have to ask to
38:35
get their guns removed and I think this
38:38
was done with such a keen eye on current
38:41
events and what America's really like
38:42
especially since they're doing an
38:44
alternate America do you know so one of
38:46
my many side hustles is I write science
38:48
fiction and I always see I used to go to
38:50
this writing group and get him to these
38:51
beefs with this guy all the time at the
38:53
group because he would say I think it's
38:55
really cynical that you think that
38:57
racism would still exist in the future
38:59
or that you think that racism would
39:01
still exist in an alternative in an
39:02
alternate history but people are still
39:05
people right and America is still
39:07
founded on certain principles so even if
39:10
the timeline diverges in 1970 their 1950
39:13
or whenever the official timeline
39:14
divergences and Watchmen those racist
39:17
principles that the society is founded
39:19
on are still existing course so I think
39:21
they did a really good job of taking
39:23
that to a logical conclusion without
39:26
overdoing it
39:28
or making it seem unrealistic because
39:30
this is alternate America but it feels
39:32
like one you could be living in
39:34
absolutely yeah mm-hmm a tangible
39:37
reality very yeah yeah it was really
39:41
something yeah yeah yeah Rorschach guys
39:43
are now white supremacists now that is
39:46
gonna pinch some folks who are fans of
39:47
the book where it hurts they really are
39:49
because here's the thing I don't
39:50
necessarily think they're calling
39:51
Rorschach a racist because the Rorschach
39:53
of the comic some of the film as well
39:56
was just had that sort of peculiar sort
40:00
of cultural self-absorption that some
40:01
people have or he's got these manifestos
40:03
and his he didn't like anybody and it
40:06
manifested in a certain way but those
40:08
kinds of manifestos are very easy to
40:10
pick up on by certain elements of
40:12
society and they do a really good that's
40:14
exactly where this whole Rorschach thing
40:16
would have gone it's exactly where a lot
40:18
of stuff is gone in reality psych psych
40:19
Joker yeah don't care about anybody
40:21
isn't like he's like mm-hmm
40:23
targets women or black folks yeah but I
40:27
mean even in if you look there's so many
40:29
things in history that didn't have
40:31
anything to do with white supremacy but
40:32
were adopted by those elements hmm
40:34
and it still happens now I like what is
40:37
that the whole Pepe frog thing I don't
40:39
really know a whole lot about white
40:40
supremacists I curate my my internet
40:42
experience well so I don't have to deal
40:44
with idiots sure but that whole Pepe
40:46
frog apparently that was created by a
40:47
children's author and now it's like some
40:49
white supremacist symbol you know that
40:50
kind of thing right I don't think
40:52
they're calling Rorschach a racist but I
40:56
think that people are going to feel
40:57
pinched because a lot of people looked
40:58
at the character of Rorschach and it
41:00
justified those feelings within them
41:02
yeah yeah this was so good guys I
41:06
seriously go watch it go watch it we
41:08
don't have a lot of time to talk about
41:09
it but it's so so good
41:11
basically that's more time mm-hmm I want
41:13
to go deeper you know as we are this is
41:16
so blackity black I really enjoy the
41:19
different shades of blackness here
41:20
mm-hmm
41:21
so we so we were talking about earlier
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the the Oklahoma scene where you have
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black people singing in musicals which
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some of that be growing up it wasn't I
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can't remember a single black person at
41:31
my st. Louis Muni and Forest Park I
41:34
can't member a single black person
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singing and the musicals there I saw pan
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I saw I think it's Oklahoma
41:42
Wow you know was it meet me in st. Louis
41:44
and you can name probably all the class
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because I probably went there every
41:48
summer all the summers to see some I
41:50
don't know I don't remember black faces
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right well you know there's always been
41:53
like black musicals and white music
41:55
clanking you saw obviously yeah yeah but
41:57
I mean prior to I mean I guess prior to
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maybe like 1985 or something they were
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definitely black musicals and white
42:03
musicals The Wiz and pearly sure dream
42:05
girls were black musicals and you know
42:06
Oklahoma and lacasa Falls and all of the
42:10
birdcage and all of those were white
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musicals and I think there was that
42:13
distinction for a long time it's kind of
42:14
a newer convention to have colorblind
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casting it's still not that new but it's
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newer I guess I was telling you before
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we started recording about the time I
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saw Oklahoma in Birmingham and not
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Birmingham Alabama Birmingham UK and
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there was a cast of British people who
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could not do American accents to save
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their lives and there was one black
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woman in the cast and she was just one
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of the background players who didn't
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have a major role but she spent the
42:42
whole production looking like she really
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didn't want to be there she was just
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like my parents from Jamaica and this is
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what I'm doing for a living
42:50
what's going I mean she just looked so
42:51
unhappy of being in the cast and there
42:54
wasn't anything weird about it
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necessarily she just was so out of place
42:57
because Oklahoma is it is a severely
43:00
white show and that's not a negative it
43:02
just is and just having when like the
43:06
new Broadway revival the new Broadway
43:08
revival of it is actually they've made
43:11
one of the family of the main families
43:13
involved in the confidential
43:15
confidential conflict is black so now
43:22
there is a kind of a racial element to
43:25
the show that wasn't there before some
43:26
of their singing people will say we're
43:28
in love it's got a different sort of
43:30
flavor to it that kind of thing the
43:32
woman's family is black but yeah
43:36
hopefully they don't think that but
43:41
either way just Oakland to seeing one
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black person one lonely black person
43:47
kind of kicking up her heels and
43:48
knee-high and or what a beautiful
43:50
morning in Oklahoma was a severely
43:52
strange experience in a lot of ways yes
43:55
it's a great show I love the show and
43:56
when I say that things are severely
43:58
white it's not a dig at whiteness it
43:59
just is there's nothing wrong but it was
44:03
but it's it was interesting to have an
44:05
all-black Oklahoma
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or mostly black Oklahoma yeah as one of
44:10
the centerpieces of this show and for
44:12
them to make because this takes place
44:13
that's another thing so oh so these
44:16
shows always take place in New York or
44:18
LA or you know different like major
44:23
cities you know you'll see something in
44:24
Hong Kong or Seoul or Tokyo or something
44:27
like that big city and this takes place
44:29
in Tulsa right which is kind of cool
44:32
actually well at least the first episode
44:34
does it true it might change from here
44:36
before we head out because we were
44:38
actually really true on time yeah we are
44:39
guess about how badass Regina King was
44:41
yes I want to see Regina King and
44:45
Michonne team-up okay in crossover
44:48
interesting
44:49
I like how well one of the striking
44:51
Vipers Black Manta yeah here Abdul
44:53
Mateen the second or whatever his name
44:55
actually is he I love how he's in there
44:59
and he's not I like how you're starting
45:01
to see black men play against type yes
45:03
he's just completely normal he's just
45:05
like exactly he's he's a stay-at-home
45:07
dad or something yeah that so I like
45:09
that so he's playing against type he's a
45:11
good presence in there I really hope
45:13
they explain why all their kids are
45:14
white in future episodes I mean all
45:16
their kids are white and then they have
45:17
blanket Jackson I don't understand it's
45:20
confusing I wonder I wonder if her cover
45:23
is taking care of these kids it's like
45:25
maybe that the chief doesn't want to
45:27
make that public or something I don't
45:29
know I could be wrong I don't know I
45:30
mean yeah just part of the mystery yeah
45:32
if you go on the website for this show
45:34
there's a whole manifesto that they have
45:36
like a whole FBI file thing that that
45:38
like that's been made up for this that
45:39
kind of explains all of the steps away
45:41
from reality sure this this universe is
45:44
taken which is really interesting so you
45:46
notice they they refer to President
45:48
Redford a lot yes that is Robert Redford
45:50
and apparently he plays himself in this
45:53
show which is going to be dope so yeah
45:56
so he but he's been president for like
45:57
thirty years in this universe Reagan
45:59
never became President Nixon abolish his
46:01
term limits and Robert Redford's been
46:02
president for generations Wow so there's
46:07
I'm wondering
46:08
if it had but I'm wondering if the fact
46:10
that none of their children are black
46:11
has something to do with something in
46:12
society none is related to a step away
46:15
from I mean there's nothing saying black
46:17
people can't adopt white kids it's just
46:19
a strange visual choice without any
46:21
explanation first yeah and like I said
46:23
they're all black and then they have
46:24
that one kid who she went to school that
46:26
who was apparently blank at Jackson I
46:28
don't know was it was she no playing at
46:31
Jackson's too old but he looks a lot
46:32
like blanket I woke up at like 4 o'clock
46:36
oh my god I'm sorry
46:37
yeah J King uh I just she was amazed
46:40
such a she's so awesome and she really
46:43
plays the role to the hilt
46:44
it smells like bleach yeah I mean
46:49
there's a bit towards the end where she
46:50
has to go leave the house real quick and
46:53
she without missing a beat lays back on
46:56
the bed and you think she's gonna have
46:57
like a emotional woman moment and I'm
46:59
unless they can oh don't take it there
47:01
and she does leans back and it flips see
47:03
exactly she flips the headboard of the
47:04
bed there's a gun hidden up under there
47:06
she jumps back up she's given them her
47:08
her husband instructions and she's out
47:10
on the road that's how she gave him the
47:12
small gun he's like I'm taking all right
47:14
right yeah it was she just really played
47:17
this world or the hilt that she really
47:18
well-written incredible her look is
47:21
iconic yes yes is gonna be a whole lot
47:24
of her out on out on the roads for
47:26
Halloween I hope I hope cosplay
47:28
opportunities get her and you got the
47:31
door time unity now Connick well female
47:36
costumes totally yeah yeah and I'm so
47:40
glad that the I'm just glad it's lived
47:42
up to the hype I love how she she's like
47:44
even though there's a chief she's like
47:46
talking shit to this dude and then when
47:48
she you know took out that that white
47:50
supremacist oh you know what I'm sorry
47:51
man we had you all invested yes locked
47:54
him up and you don't know what happened
48:00
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48:07
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